daniel:// stenberg://Slide requirements for (checks notes) Open Source Summit Europe:
PowerPoint format
Björn Fahller
Lambic@bagder not only is that painful irony, it's also completely unnecessary
Gheesh@bagder Who sponsors this? Microsoft?
Satu Elisa Schaeffer
CryptoMoose
David Blue ⁂ ∆@bagder shoutout XML.
toadjaune@bagder are you playful enough to first send an odp file and see what they say ? ^^
Hubert Figuière@bagder @toadjaune whatever Microsoft thing they use will mangle it.
wilander
Jonathan ‘theJPster’ Pallant@bagder I mean technically that’s Office Open XML format…
Xenotar
ckrch@bagder that's just sad.
Reddish
Deven Phillips
Matthias Büchse@bagder I checked the list of sponsors, and now I can't take any of this serious any more. Linux Foundation seems ever more suspicious to me.
abacabadabacaba@bagder That's why people should support Free Software and not Open Source.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
"Open Source" is a term created by businesspeople wanting to exploit developers' unpaid labor. They couldn't care less about freedom, so they don't see anything wrong in using PowerPoint.
Richard Levitte@abacabadabacaba @bagder I'll just point out that LibreOffice is free software, and it does output "PowerPoint format", which is Open Office XML since quite a long time.
@levitte @abacabadabacaba yeps. Just that slides often also change look and formatting as well when doing it...
@bagder @levitte @abacabadabacaba You mean, across different softwares (no guarantee that they will use your software for showing)? Yeah, that would suck.
@levitte @bagder Here is my story with PowerPoint: back in the day, I had to make a presentation in PowerPoint. My machine had Office 2007, but the machine in the presentation room only had Office 2003. So, I thought, just save the file in the Office 2003 format and call it a day? Unfortunately, not only did Microsoft introduce a bunch of new fonts in Office 2007, they made those fonts the default. The machine in the presentation room didn't have those fonts, so it rendered my slides using a different font. As a result, my carefully adjusted text overflowed the slides, and I had to urgently fix it on the spot.
Nowadays, if I make a presentation, my first choice is latex-beamer. You can open PDFs almost everywhere and get a consistent result.
Nowadays, if I make a presentation, my first choice is latex-beamer. You can open PDFs almost everywhere and get a consistent result.
@bagder @levitte @abacabadabacaba So, next step would be responsive design for slides, yeah?
[duck, run]
Siim Ošur@abacabadabacaba @bagder I did not know this. Thank you for raising this to attention.
Mallory 🏳️⚧️
@abacabadabacaba “Free software” is a term created by a pedophile.
@mallory I suggest you do some research before spreading disinformation. Richard Stallman was never accused of being a pedophile himself, and accusations of him supporting pedophilia has been thoroughly debunked.
https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-against-richard-stallman.html#pedophilia
@abacabadabacaba You don’t spend decades of your life defending pedophiles if you don’t have a vested interest.
Stefan Eissing@bagder Ah, it‘s that kind of „open source“ summit, where 80% of people are corporate IT and the remainder are Stealth Sales forces.
fmarl
OS-SCI
agenturfrei 
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷@bagder To my immense dismay, a lot of the Open Source "business" world runs on Google, MS et al from their Macbooks while preaching "digital sovereignty".
The naysayers really don't need to do anything else to undermine the trust in the offering than ask their sales person "sooo what do you use".
It's like rocking up to sell an electric car in a Diesel SUV by a different brand.
Holger Dyroff@hodyroff @bagder I wish I knew. I don't think it's possible to change from within, to be blunt. I've seen the arguments made within multiple larger organizations, and the people making the decisions aren't exactly open to them, because they're not actually in the space because of FLOSS values.
This will only happen if potential customers (public sector or private) call this out as a trust/hypocrisy issue as a sales barrier.
Then though? Probably faster than we can blink.
witchescauldron
dragotin@larsmb @hodyroff @bagder In think we can only continue to talk about consequences of using big tech which are meanwhile bigger than "just" privacy and continue to deliver good alternatives. And we have to become better with the alternatives. I hate to say, but often we're not good enough yet.
#opencloud is only a start 😉
#opencloud is only a start 😉
@larsmb @hodyroff @bagder now you got me started ... I think company/business driven open source is only one part of the story. It is necessary, but so many important projects were started by individual hackers trying something... I wished that young devs continue to be brave and push the borders of innovation and create and not only consume.
@dragotin @larsmb @bagder hm, I still see lots of creation - mostly in the AI arena currently - struggling with licensing as soon as they get adopted and a VC financed org shall be grown around them. There is enough OSS it must be used and maybe pieces improved instead of creating the next thing - anybody a new mail client? In other parts like Cloud OS it seems complex and ever changing while 100% digital sovereign solutions are still difficult to achieve.
@dragotin @hodyroff @bagder If it's not even good enough for the commercial entities selling it though to use it themselves with the given trade-offs, that's just untrustworthy.
I think it's less of a technical, feature, or training challenge though, but one of the procurement model: HumEx/CapEx vs OpEx.
Again, I think the biggest lever is the customers. And also the competition which needs to call this out as an advantage for themselves.
(I wrote l def wrote this as a personal opinion 😅)
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)A couple of years ago, I gave a talk at State Of Open Conference. To register as a speaker, they required you to have accounts on no fewer than four proprietary platforms. They used Google maps for their maps ;in spite of the fact that OpenStreetMap actually had the entrance to the venue on their maps and Google didn’t). They used some additional proprietary platform for speakers to communicate.
I took away the message that the state of open is ‘not great’.
Every single one of the proprietary systems that they used had an open source / open data alternative and, in most cases, the open version was better.
abscDo we want to talk about kubernetes using slack (proprietary) for free and moving to discord because they are too moron to pay?
Do you want news about kubernetes? Create an account on this proprietary platform today!
We are for "Open Source", sure we are.
Andre C.@bagder was invited to an open source networking event online the other day. Conferencing tool: Webex
WooShell
CyberFrog@bagder I'd bring a copy of the slides in ODP format just to make a point tbh
Fink 
ER-1 
@bagder Sending in a Libreoffice document as a radical act of defiance