Speaking from experience: Taking a risk by calling things out can be a very isolating experience. Don't applaud people that do. Do as they did: Take a risk, speak up, call shit out.

Because the more people do so, the less risk everyone has to take. And eventually what was once daring to say has moved into the realm of ordinary again.

@malteengeler @mvsde Louder, for the folks at the back.

@aral @malteengeler I kind of get it when people who don't understand AI don't call it out as shit because they're too deluded and perceive it as wonderful magic.

I also kind of get it when anyone else (who privately opposes GenAI) is too afraid to call it out as shit publicly when both their bosses and deluded peers would give them a backlash.

What I don't get is when people don't speak up against fascism or applaud you only in private when you stand up for human rights.

Being moral in the 21st century is isolating on multiple fronts.

@malteengeler Sorry to say, but isn‘t that exactly what the „right“ wing does?
@dialogo @malteengeler It is. And this is the problem. ONLY the right wing does it. So only the right stuff gets "normal".
@dialogo Yes it is. Why are you "sorry" to say that?
@malteengeler Because I would prefer not to live in a world where everybody (left-middle-right) is calling out what he thinks is shit. At least listening to each other (and oneself) should be valued as equal important. The „sorry“ was aimed at using a strategy that I feel is not involving, but excluding.
@dialogo I'd prefer that too. That world you would like to live in needs to be fought for by someone, though. If you prefer your peace of mind, I can understand that. But "listening to each other" in a world of violence and oppression will only strengthen those in power.
@malteengeler Talking about my experience: I‘ve been trying and still am trying to listen to people speaking (or calling) from different perspectives. I‘ve found that the way of speaking is sometimes in the way of what someone‘s trying to achieve with his words. And sometimes the words are getting in the way of what someone might be aiming at on a deeper level.
@malteengeler So it doesn‘t only seem to be the speaking or calling, but also the manner in which is spoken or acted, that has an influence on the person(s) being adressed and the other people around. If you found your strategy is working for you and the people you are adressing with it, that‘s ok. I found that I felt very bad with the changes I myself went through while trying to fight what I didn‘t like on the same level it was fighting me.
@malteengeler also: don't privately tell them you agree but be silent in public. That just deepens the feeling of isolation.