Neil BrownJun 29

One shouldn't need to change the OS on one's laptop or phone to get a private, ad free, not actively user hostile, experience on one's own device.

It is essential that one can do these things - I have, and haven't looked back - but if it is necessary, then there is a failure in regulation and enforcement.

Show threadNeil BrownJun 29

One should not need the prophylactic of numerous add-ons and a careful choice of browser to be able to surf the web.

And thank goodness for indie sites and blogs, especially those with RSS feeds, which have eschewed the user hostile design decisions which leads to this.

Show threadChris GerhardJun 29

@neil one should not have to run pihole to make you TV usable without ads.

One should not have to carefully create firewall rules to stop your TV reporting what you are watching.

You should not need to agree to an abusive Eula just to continue to use the TV you already own

Show threadDendrobatus Azureus

@cgerhard @neil

It's gotten so bad, that the only way you are certain, that your television will not squeal on you, is by making sure that you never ever ever let it go on the internet, because if you do it will just create a tunnel report to its Masters and if you close that tunnel it will just create others

Smart TV's and IOT devices have payloads just like malware!

#Enshittification #payloads #malware

Jun 29 at 9:39amWeb
Show threadTomJun 29
@dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil Is there a list of "safe" TVs to get somewhere? At some point In going to have to replace my TV and I don't want one that will spy on me/phone home or any of that nonsense.
Show threadMichael KohneJun 29
@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil I think there is no 'safe' if you let it on your network. No matter what the manufacturer's policy today, they can change it tomorrow and you're hosed. The Samsung I bought a few months ago was willing to operate without an Internet connection, so that was nice.
Show threadRichardJun 29

@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil

I've spent too long looking at this and the best option I've found is a dump TV or offline "smart" TV
and then a box either of your own choice or making a pi media box.

either way all out of the realm "path of least resistance" for most

Show threadChris GerhardJun 29
@Yorkshiregeek @pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @neil im told the solution, and this should not be needed, is to buy a display screen not a TV. Many of those still support the apps the TV support but because they are sold for businesses don't have the skyware. Obviously I only discovered this after getting my TV
Show threadRadioAdditionJun 29
@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil Sceptre. Only manufacturer I know of that still makes "dumb" TVs
Show threadRussell PhillipsJun 29
@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil in the UK, Cello make non-smart TVs.
https://celloelectronics.com/collections/non-smart-tvs
Non-Smart TVs

Show threadawoodlandJun 30
@rpbook @pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil wow, I don't need a new TV because the flat panel I got 20 years ago is still going strong but this is the first modern TV I've seen that's made me want to get out my bank card.
Show threadDendrobatus AzureusJul 1

@awoodland @rpbook @pertho @cgerhard @neil

What is the resolution of your flat panel?