Neil BrownJun 29

One shouldn't need to change the OS on one's laptop or phone to get a private, ad free, not actively user hostile, experience on one's own device.

It is essential that one can do these things - I have, and haven't looked back - but if it is necessary, then there is a failure in regulation and enforcement.

Show threadNeil BrownJun 29

One should not need the prophylactic of numerous add-ons and a careful choice of browser to be able to surf the web.

And thank goodness for indie sites and blogs, especially those with RSS feeds, which have eschewed the user hostile design decisions which leads to this.

Show threadChris Gerhard

@neil one should not have to run pihole to make you TV usable without ads.

One should not have to carefully create firewall rules to stop your TV reporting what you are watching.

You should not need to agree to an abusive Eula just to continue to use the TV you already own

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Show threadSimon Jun 29
@cgerhard @neil LG? I was so angry when I read and saw what they try and do. It’s segregated now but I feel for people that don’t know/can’t do this. Pretty sure others are just as bad though?
Show threadChris GerhardJun 29
@staustellsimon @neil yes it's LG and yes I'm sure others are just as bad. We desperately need rules to ban this behaviour, which I think was the point of @neil's original posts
Show threadSimon Jun 29
@cgerhard @neil what I also detest is that it’s gone from a decent performing TV when I bought just over 18months ago to something that now needs several minutes after switching on to be useable, everything about the OS is now stuttery, for zero benefit 🤷🏼
Show threadDendrobatus AzureusJun 29

@cgerhard @neil

It's gotten so bad, that the only way you are certain, that your television will not squeal on you, is by making sure that you never ever ever let it go on the internet, because if you do it will just create a tunnel report to its Masters and if you close that tunnel it will just create others

Smart TV's and IOT devices have payloads just like malware!

#Enshittification #payloads #malware

Show threadTomJun 29
@dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil Is there a list of "safe" TVs to get somewhere? At some point In going to have to replace my TV and I don't want one that will spy on me/phone home or any of that nonsense.
Show threadMichael KohneJun 29
@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil I think there is no 'safe' if you let it on your network. No matter what the manufacturer's policy today, they can change it tomorrow and you're hosed. The Samsung I bought a few months ago was willing to operate without an Internet connection, so that was nice.
Show threadRichardJun 29

@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil

I've spent too long looking at this and the best option I've found is a dump TV or offline "smart" TV
and then a box either of your own choice or making a pi media box.

either way all out of the realm "path of least resistance" for most

Show threadChris GerhardJun 29
@Yorkshiregeek @pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @neil im told the solution, and this should not be needed, is to buy a display screen not a TV. Many of those still support the apps the TV support but because they are sold for businesses don't have the skyware. Obviously I only discovered this after getting my TV
Show threadRadioAdditionJun 29
@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil Sceptre. Only manufacturer I know of that still makes "dumb" TVs
Show threadRussell PhillipsJun 29
@pertho @dendrobatus_azureus @cgerhard @neil in the UK, Cello make non-smart TVs.
https://celloelectronics.com/collections/non-smart-tvs
Non-Smart TVs

Show threadRadio AzureusJun 29

@cgerhard @neil

Will you be so kind to point me to an article where I can read What LG has done exactly?

#LG #SmartTV

Show threadkonst 🇳🇿Jun 29
@cgerhard @neil you implicitly agreed to the EULA by thinking about TV.
Show threadNorm Tovey-WalshJun 29
@cgerhard @neil I have a nice, not-smart TV. I have to plug it into a 240/120 transformer because it came from the States. I may just give up on TV when it dies.
Show threaddatenwolfJun 29

@ndw @cgerhard @neil I gave up on TV when the set of my mom broke and I just replaced it with mine. That was 13 years ago. The last thing I watched on TV was some episode of ST-TNG... half way, when the call "my TV broke" came. That was it.

These days if I visit somewhere and the TV's running I have to leave the room - it's become unbearable.