@paulfoerster The thing that amazes me about Teams is that it's where information goes to die.
It's just too damn easy to lose stuff in Teams. Even conversations that we were only typing in a few minutes before somehow become challenging to find. I really don't know how they managed to make the UI so damn bad.
@psa It’s not only the UI. It starts with its launch. Selecting launch at login and start in the background will make it not throw its window in your face. That’s good. But it will hide in such a way that it doesn’t even have a Systray icon.
And as I said, that’s only starting. I could write books about its flaws by now. Everybody I know hates it.
@paulfoerster Oh yeah, I had issues with "restarting" it not having the intended effect. Until I realised that in order to actually shut it down, there's a background process that needs killing via task manager.
And the crashes, mostly partial so it's not clear that it's crashed until someone says they can no longer hear you.
The ability to lose info is just the one that bites me hard pretty much every day.
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I don't know what OS you're using but, on Linux, Teams is the only tool I use that consistently crashes my window manager. I absolutely hate having to use it. I have to make sure all other applications have saved everything etc.
It's marginally better via a browser but only just and, even then, only if I turn off any ad blockers... why that should matter, I don't know, especially given that we're actually paying for the privilege.
@ericsfraga @paulfoerster I use it on Windows, not by choice.
How on earth does it bring down a window manager? That does seem likely to be a window manager bug though, it should be bullet proof.
A lot of Microsoft stuff doesn't work with even light forms of privacy protection. We've had a number of issues with Microsoft sites around Firefox Enhanced Tracking Protection, for instance.
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> How on earth does it bring down a window manager? That does seem
> likely to be a window manager bug though, it should be bullet proof.
Apologies, I was sloppy. What happens is that the video driver for X segfaults which, of course, kills the WM and all applications. Of course, you could argue that the video driver should also be bullet proof but... nvidia.
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