Seriously, if I was #LinusSebastian of #LinusTechTips I'd literally choose to #donate the cost of a #TeamViewer #subscription to #FLOSS #RemoteDesktop projects like #Dayon instead and sue TeamViewer into upholding their contract or a full refund with interest as if it was a loan because clearly they chose violate that contract on their own terms and initiative!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT1t1JlZugM&t=140

And yes, Dayon! is awesome and I can fully recommend this as an alternative to TeamViewer, #AnyDesk, etc.

https://retgal.github.io/Dayon/

  • For any system that needs Remote Access as unattended I'd recommend to setup a #VPN or at least a Reverse-#SSH connection anyway so one can launch something like Dayon! by just sending a single command and have #RemoteDesktop access on-demand.

So yeah, TeamViewer literally shot themselves in the foot here by deciding to shaft paying customers who were able and willing to pay the absurd prices you asked for for a one-time license.

  • Also whilst TeamViewer does OFC maintain some infrastructure, most what they do is basically run a "rendrevous"-Server to allow two endpoints behind NATs to connect to each other and exchange details to make UPnP-style hole-punching work.

That's traffic in the single-digit megabytes per year and client, as there's not much between as clients pinging their server and basically boing some simple handshakes.

  • And as Linus said it's not his problem if they gotta have to keep systems up and running in perpetuity. They offered that deal and now they have to suffer through it! By paying the obligations are on to TeamViewer to make it work and continue to make it work!

Also if I'm on a #LAN why would I want to use TeamViewer and not any #VNC (or god forbid #RDP) server? THE WHOLE POINT OF USING TeamViewer, AnyDesk, etc. IS TO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NATs, FIREWALLS AND IP-ADDRESSES AND JUST GET CONNECTED FFS!!!

  • Personally I use #Remmina and Dayon, but that's because Remmina is comfortable even for SSH and can do that as well as RDP & VNC and Dayon is just the simple option I can walktrough people that need #TechSupport #remote|ly for a quick hands-on...

Definitely my recommendation because it also allows for any use-cases and doesn't nag one to "buy a license!"

  • So please someone please let #Linus know about Dayon so he can do a "TeamViewer alternatives" video...

#LTT #WanShow #WANshow #Enshittification #Greedflation #Licensing #Ownership #Piracy

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@kkarhan I personally use Rustdesk (only for accessing clients computer)

@ml I've heard of #RustDesk, but lets just say the whole "it's not #SaaS!" when it clearly is a #subscription #licensing scheme is kinda off-putting to me...
https://rustdesk.com/pricing/?lang=en

That doesn't mean they are bad - far from it.

I just use #Dayon because it's very easy to walkthrough #TechIlliterates when it comes to getting #RemoteSupport up and running with them.

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@kkarhan @ml you can self-host with a decent feature set

@hodyroff @ml Again: I don't deny that featureset nor that they ain't a compelling offer...

I just need a basic remote desktop at most, because anything else works with #SSH for me...

@[email protected] I didn’t know about Dayon so I googled for it. It was a good reminder of where we are at in terms of advertising vs results …

@santi yikes...

This is why I use @monocles / #monoclesSearch because that's not #enshittified that hard...

https://monocles.eu

  • OFC #DuckDuckGo doesn't seem that enshittified either - but then again #Google really sucks for quite some time!
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@[email protected] @santi I run my own searxng in a local VM (configured in Firefox as the default) but sometimes I use Safari too out of habit and it’s a good reminder of the reality.

@santi yeah, feels like Faith from Mirrors' Edge: Catalyst...

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@[email protected] @santi It’s the boiling frog thing. Most just get used to it and it’s ok. I have piHole for my devices but I can’t impose it to other members of the household because sometimes without ads things don’t work.

I am always shocked when my spouse shows me a thing on her phone and like the article has a 20% window in the middle of the screen, all covered in ads and that’s just life. Much like I got used to the fact that my phone is permanently in silence and I lose calls because 90% is robocalls/scams.

@santi yooo... WTF?

What 3rd world country are you stuck in??

Don't tell me... it's 'Murica, isn't it???

@[email protected] @santi That’s Brazil. Which is basically an American colony 😅

It’s supposedly against the law but I am sure there are neigh lobbyists in parliament making sure this never has any consequences.
@santi And I guess it's not like when Roussef was in charge that anyone claims to give a damn nor that anyone feels responsible to actually enforce laws or go after such violations...
@santi @kkarhan In a similar vein I have uBlock Origin for everything and it's so good.