Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

"We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

(via @mastodonmigration)

JD Vance (@jd-vance-1.bsky.social)

Christian, husband, dad. Vice President of the United States. jdvance.com

Bluesky Social

@FediTips @mastodonmigration Not surprising that they open him with open arms "to the conversation".
As if you can converse in a meaningful way with fascists. 🙄

I wonder what happens should he or anyone from that sickening regime joins a fediverse instance.

@McWabbit

If Vance joined a Fediverse instance, and the instance admin didn't kick him off, other instances would defederate that instance.

But this isn't possible on Bluesky because it's centralised.

Hello feditips.

I am a moderator at this instance you see me posting from, app.wafrn.net.

We have optional (read: opt-in) bluesky integration and we have just banned JD Vance

Yes, we can do that. Because yes, Bluesky is just a bit more open than you make it out to be :)

@alexia

That's a bridge, not actual federation.

And blocking just Vance is not defederation. It does nothing to isolate the instance that is hosting him and platforming him. If you want to defederate, you need to block the entire bsky.social instance.

No, we are not a bridge, here read our source code:

https://github.com/gabboman/wafrn/tree/main/packages/backend/atproto

We ingest the firehose directly, we interact with bluesky directly. You can even view bluesky accounts like, say, bluesky's own directly: https://app.wafrn.net/blog/@bsky.app

Notice how there's no bridgy in there? You can check my profile on the bluesky side at https://bsky.app/profile/alexia.at.app.wafrn.net too ← Notice how there's no bridgy here either?

wafrn/packages/backend/atproto at main · gabboman/wafrn

Wafrn is a federated social media inspired by tumblr. Join us and have fun - gabboman/wafrn

GitHub

@alexia

If you are federating, are you now going to defederate bsky.social?

Or are you okay with them platforming fascists?

Are you going to take a stand on this or not?

We take care of moderation ok ishly.

The model there is different than here same way they federate in a different way than us

@gabboman @alexia

The model there prevents defederation then?

Or is it not really federated after all?

would you like a one to one chat explaining why concepts from here can not apply to bluesky or you rather keep being smug in public?

dont get me wrong I also love being a smug cunt. its fucking adictive.

But seriously, the federation architecture is VERY different.

@gabboman @FediTips @alexia listen, I don’t want to get embroiled in another argument, but let me provide my insights: I think Gabbo is allowed to have his instance and run it how he wants. Bluesky federation is currently opt-in, and I trust it’ll be completely removed if the situation gets much worse. secondly, some things aren’t worth arguing over. just block and move on. I like both of you, so please heed my advice.

@GroupNebula563 @gabboman @alexia

"secondly, some things aren’t worth arguing over"

Fascism is worth arguing over.

Calling me a "smug cunt" for trying to warn against fascism is just... there's no words. What are you thinking?

Do you think this is some kind of childish tech vs tech dispute like Mac vs Windows?

I run these accounts purely to try to stop the spread of fascism and hatred. Any tech that helps in that fight, I promote. Any tech that hinders that fight, I warn about.

@GroupNebula563 @gabboman @alexia

If you think I've got a tech wrong that's fine to discuss, I do discuss things regularly and I often message developers to find out more. But hateful name calling and patronising and avoiding mentioning the Nazi elephant in the room is not the way to do it.

@FediTips @gabboman @alexia honestly, fair. I will probably be moving away from Wafrn in that case provided they don't get rid of Bluesky integration. I only have one major account over there and it already has an equivalent on another instance that I find works quite well. Thanks for the insight, FediTips!
@FediTips @gabboman @alexia for the record, that “some things aren’t worth arguing over” bit was targeted mainly at Gabbo. I agree, fascism is DEFINITELY worth arguing over.
i mean thats why I blocked vance. And same reason I block fascists on fedi.
my issue is that feditips is missrepresenting things intentionaly.

@gabboman @GroupNebula563 @alexia

I can assure you I'm not. I am terrified about what is going on.

I don't care what protocol is used as long as it makes federation accessible and controllable by anyone including very-low-cost grassroots instances that can communicate without relays.

Bsky offers better tools to users than fedi.

I say this as a fedi developer

@gabboman
Hi, question. If a user on your instance who is opted-in to Bluesky integration boosts a post from someone on another fedi instance, is the boost ingested by Bluesky?

@GroupNebula563 @FediTips @alexia

Nope, not possible. I wanted to try to do a “boost the bridged version if exists” but i dont have spoons

@FediTips @gabboman @GroupNebula563 @alexia Bluesky infrastructure being expensive to host is a solved problem since a few weeks ago. It costs less than 50$ a month to host a relay and a PDS can be hosted on the least powerful VPS or self-hosted on really cheap hardware. Fedi instances are cheap to host but moderating fedi instances is reinventing the wheel, while on ATproto you can make use of composable moderation.

I'm just as terrified as you and there is blame to be placed on Bluesky PBLLC but Bluesky can be freed from them. I fear Bluesky PBLLC the same amount I fear mastodon.social. They aren't the enemy but they aren't friendly either. Especially considering how BOTH has been blocking Palestinians making mutual aid requests, on sight, because "meh antisemitism". They aren't that different.

@FediTips @gabboman @GroupNebula563 @alexia I don't really want to get involved in this disagreement but I have to say that the way Fedi.tips has been talking about how bluesky works seems to have some serious issues and it turns some people off. The blocking and defederation of instances works the way it does on fedi cause of how mastodon and most of the fediverse work but doesn't apply when you are talking about bluesky/atproto cause the way the whole system is designed is radically different