Dan GillmorSeen on Bluesky:
Guy explains to CEO of Signal (messaging) that it's going to add "AI" to the service. She says no. He insists, not knowing or caring who he's talking down to.
Cassandrich@dangillmor This is fucking hilarious. Epic level mansplaining. 🤣 🤡
Matthias@dalias @dangillmor would be funny if there is a LLM integration in signal the next years 😂
mcSlibinas@ulfi @dalias @dangillmor The Signal Technology Foundation is nonprofit organisation and that's make key difference. In theory if AI will proove usefulness Signal can use AI tools (wild guess), but there's no push from investors.
@mcSlibinas @ulfi @dangillmor How dense are you guys?? She specifically said no, and we all know the only "usefulness" of these "tools" is deception and exploitation. No. There will not be "AI" in Signal.
@dalias @ulfi @dangillmor because she is smart. And The Signal Technology Foundation is smart. And AI is dumb.
But if AI will get smart in future?
Every claim from every bussinnes, (profit, non profit) is just a claim.
You can believe if you choose to believe.
@mcSlibinas @ulfi @dangillmor No. There is no such thing as it "getting smart". The entire idea is the opposite of smart. Especially in the context of privacy and messaging. You absolutely do not want anyone or anything "smart" reading your confidential messages and acting on their contents. That's contrary to the entire purpose.
Phillip Sperling@dalias @mcSlibinas @ulfi @dangillmor also, signals claim to faim is their thorough end to end encryption. I can't see any way a LLM would be able to improve the app without scaring away all users, because to work with the text, that end to end encryption would be compromised.
@psperling @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor AI tool to check connection? Warning tool for scammers or ICE?
I'm not a developer, so i can't say what you can do with a good tool (if AI will become good tool in future).
I'm not a developer, so i can't say what you can do with a good tool (if AI will become good tool in future).
@mcSlibinas @psperling @ulfi @dangillmor You clearly haven't thought about any of this and don't know what you're talking about, and are just being obnoxiously contrarian in line with the original mansplaining douche we were dunking on.
Light@mcSlibinas @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor the problem with those tasks would be to effectively run an llm on a phone (which would be needed to not break e2e encryption). It would drastically decrease the performance of the app.
Of course, there is the possibility that llms suddenly becomes much smaller and therefor viable to run on phones, but it just seems highly unlikely.
Of course, there is the possibility that llms suddenly becomes much smaller and therefor viable to run on phones, but it just seems highly unlikely.
@psperling @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor i agree with you 100%. I just said in raw: AI is dumb now and not useful.
Fish Id Wardrobe@psperling @dalias @mcSlibinas @ulfi @dangillmor well, they added cryptocurrency, so I'm not sure that tracks.
(But, I certainly think they would also be stupid to add 'AI'.)
@fishidwardrobe @psperling @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor no app dev can use AI now, it's just plain bad. Only scientist can use AI with real benefits.
@fishidwardrobe @dalias @mcSlibinas @ulfi @dangillmor signal added cryptocurrency? Where? I haven't seen it on the app.
And how would adding cryptotrading change the viability of running llms on the app?
And how would adding cryptotrading change the viability of running llms on the app?
D2@psperling @dalias @mcSlibinas @ulfi @dangillmor this thread feels like ‘boots for sneks’. Repeatedly, dudes trying to say ‘but what about __’ to claim a win, blind to the part where ‘the day encrypted comms (snek) need any external data connection or plugin (feet on a snek), it stops being a moyherfuckin snek (secure, private)’.
@cascheranno @psperling @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor nice explanation, thank you!
I just used basic principle: AI is a tool (now it's a bad one, harmfull and dangerous). Anyway, it's a tool. So you can cook the dinner or burn da house based on how you use that tool.
Let's forget that - AI will be in keyboards, spellcheck and other things, so google can spy in signal before encrypting message.
Maybe smart AI of the future can prevent this? 🤔
@mcSlibinas @psperling @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor oh, FFS.
Did you ask an LLM for the definition of integration and get AI slop back?!
“____ is a tool therefore it must be used by everything” is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen called a base principle. Especially adjacent to a “boots for snek” homily.
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@cascheranno
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saxnot (not at GPN)@dalias @mcSlibinas@mastodon.social @ulfi @dangillmor just yesterday I explained how helpful AI was to my career
i am not using AI
everyone who does is more stupid in comparison
thus I was being helped by AI in my career
OvertonDoors
Angela Scholder@mcSlibinas @dalias @ulfi @dangillmor Well, I was planning to stick around for a long time, but I'm still convinced it will by far not long enough, if ever...