Dan GillmorSeen on Bluesky:
Guy explains to CEO of Signal (messaging) that it's going to add "AI" to the service. She says no. He insists, not knowing or caring who he's talking down to.
Darwin Woodka
Jeremy Kahn
Asta [AMP]@trochee @darwinwoodka @dangillmor does he think "non-profit" means people aren't paid? because it seems like he thinks developers aren't paid in non-profits. is this part of his "better insight" than the president of the company?
@trochee @darwinwoodka @dangillmor "well, we're a non profit, and because capitalism is just a synonym for commerce, that means we steal to get by because we're all broke because they can't pay us" ???
Karl@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka Call me a dumbass, but I actually thought they volunteer to work without getting paid.
@bloodynine @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka (I mean, that does happen! People do volunteer. But a lot of non profits do have paid staff).
D2@bloodynine well, now you know. So, itsa TIL day orrrrr yeah, dumbass. Should be an easy choice.
this guy is basically a poster child of what Zitron calls the Business Idiot
@trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka I was debating whether he was just trying to be a troll for attention or whether he's really convinced he knows better than Meredith Whittaker (because of his gender, I assume). The idea that it can't be a non-profit because... developers have to get paid? really sealed the deal.
Irenes (many)@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka right, like, speaking as an executive of a much smaller non-profit, sure, non-profits exist within capitalism and at the pleasure of the state, but the transparency rules are still a meaningful protection. Signal seeks grassroots funding (we couldn't immediately find a report on how much of their funding is individual small donors), which is also important.
@ireneista @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka it's a well known FACT that NO ONE WAS PAID ANY MONEY EVER before Adam Smith wrote "The Wealth Of Nations"
and of course, no one did anything at all before currency was invented. history started in 1770. I have a keen insight.
and of course, no one did anything at all before currency was invented. history started in 1770. I have a keen insight.
@ireneista @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka OKAY BUT
what asinine thing did he say that led him to his, "so yes, I do think I have a better insight than the president of the company"
the people, they yearn for the truth
what asinine thing did he say that led him to his, "so yes, I do think I have a better insight than the president of the company"
the people, they yearn for the truth
FoolishOwl@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka @ireneista I'm guessing it was something along the lines of LLMs being progress and you can't stop progress.
@foolishowl @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka @ireneista lmao that would be hilarious, "computers that are wrong are the future of chat!!!!!" ?
@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka @ireneista It would be funnier if I didn't keep seeing people say it.
Mark Andrew@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka @ireneista He wants to be the guy that "told you so" (his own words).
If you look at his history he has some pretty strong convictions, among them: LLMs are overhyped, and Trump is bad (so far so good).
But recently he's been involved in protests and stuff and seems to have been led into some cognitive dissonance about Signal. Organizers are using it, and he can't square that with it being a mistake to use it for national security.
@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka @ireneista So instead if asking questions and maybe learning something, he made a wild prediction thinking it was a chance to be a hero.
OvertonDoors@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka also, like, frankly Meredith is awesome and understands what's at stake with all this stuff and isn't someone who would go back on her word
@ireneista @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka I'm always Cautious Kittens when it comes to people at the head of stuff (positions of authority can be corrupting! It's a whole thing), but Signal w/ Meredith in charge is so much better than what it would have been with Moxie. I was just linking her awesome article on the intertwinted history of computing and slave labour to some "no politics in tech!!!111" doofus earlier. I wish I could meet her but yes, she definitely seems awesome and if she isn't the real deal, then she has certainly spent a lot of personal time and money on doing the kind of work "the real deal" would do, which would be a confusing thing to do if she weren't.
tom jennings@tomjennings @trochee @aud @dangillmor @darwinwoodka
Has the look of a "I'll quit my day job just as soon as the next MEMECOIN moonshot happens!" fuc-boi. One of those with the "It's got to be true because it's convinent, and it's going to make me independently wealthy too!" guys. Ready for admission to the next MLM scam.
Has the look of a "I'll quit my day job just as soon as the next MEMECOIN moonshot happens!" fuc-boi. One of those with the "It's got to be true because it's convinent, and it's going to make me independently wealthy too!" guys. Ready for admission to the next MLM scam.
Koos Pol 🇺🇦
raboof@aud @trochee @dangillmor @darwinwoodka I don't think he thinks that: I read it as making the argument that while Signal may be a non-profit, they do pay their engineers, so they do have to care about cashflow.
While that's of course true, the reasoning is full of holes, and in any case the whole exchange is still 🤦
Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine)@darwinwoodka @dangillmor thank god this guy is making AI even less likely in signal
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Nomdeb@darwinwoodka @dangillmor Well that's new to me that non profits don't have paid employees. I have no words for the idiocy.
Tanguy ⧓ Herrmann@nomdeb @darwinwoodka @dangillmor *irony on*
Well if they make 0 profit, they have no money to pay employees.
Check mate!
*irony off*
Well if they make 0 profit, they have no money to pay employees.
Check mate!
*irony off*
C. Scott Ananian (he/him)
maelstrom
Andrew Orr@darwinwoodka @dangillmor “wHy aRe mEn?” That’s part of the reason why young men are shifted to the right.
SerenusMen absolutely have challenges. We can be lonely. We can lack for good models when growing up, we can have difficulty expressing ourselves in a healthy way because of social pressures (with the mental health impacts that result), the list goes on. This really doesn’t make that list.
If you’re otherwise squared away? This doesn’t even register, because you know it doesn’t apply to you, and you’re well aware of the justified frustrations at the root of the statement.
@Serenus How are young men getting squared away in current times?
@andrewornot Not, I’d suggest, through the proliferation of right wing speakers who promote a version of masculinity that’s both unhealthy and unrealistic.
We had some of the same pressures in our day (assuming you’ve got a few decades under your belt here, as do I). What we didn’t have was an environment saturated with alpha male garbage that exacerbates the lack of connection to others, the walling off of emotion, that all arguably prevents a healthy relationship with oneself and others.
@andrewornot So more directly answering your question - same way we did back then, if they’re lucky enough to avoid the traps we had an easier time avoiding because they were less prevalent.
Not listening to the people who say that there’s one true way to be a man. Not listening to the people who’d make them think that the world’s out to get them. Ignoring that noise, and spending time learning about themselves and how to connect to others in a healthy way.
@andrewornot @Serenus by fucking paying attention to (and joining women in adapting to) the world. It’s contrary to the movement you’re possibly invested in to some degree, so that link needs burned away. But if half of the world has worked it out, seems doable.
sidereal@andrewornot @darwinwoodka @dangillmor Nah, actually, pointing out when men are being sexist is a good thing and is not somehow counterintuitively sexist. You should focus on the adult men being sexist, because that’s who the young men are imitating. Think about this, dogg
culpaplex@andrewornot The fascism is practically self-defense!
Miss Brainslug
@missbrainslug @andrewornot @darwinwoodka @dangillmor
Calling them a pearl clutching alpha typically gets you sweared at in under 2 replies.
𝕰𝖗𝖎𝖈 𝖛𝖔𝖓 𝕱𝖔𝖊𝖗𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖗@darwinwoodka @dangillmor full on wrong and strong! 🤣
lj·rk@darwinwoodka @dangillmor This is so stupid on so many levels. How would AI integration even help developers get paid?
Ghostbreaker SMASH!!
IcilOur family discord has a channel for these we've dubbed "commemorated deeds"
Pretty much what I was on about lol. There's an account on there called "The Louvre of Bluesky" that compiles the cringiest bits of moth app drama. Turns out this was already gracing its gilded halls by the time I said that, too: https://bsky.app/profile/thelouvreof.bsky.social/post/3lrtfdugzdc2i
Nice, I'll have to follow that one
👁️🗨️@darwinwoodka @dangillmor lololol