It’s hard to escape the dawning realization that part (or all) of the goal of Google’s AI Overview is to simply eradicate the concept of anyone else having any kind of website at all.

Why click on a link & explore when Google told you the answer & you didn’t know it was wrong?

Google’s long-con loss-leaders have been nothing but a ramp-up to replacing the entire internet with itself—& a single content creator they never have to pay.

Except in the energy of the whole planet.

@Catvalente they tried to do this with Google AMP (Accellerated Mobile Pages) I bet they go after Archive.org after this.
@Catvalente It's not just content, it's software too. Why have any other app when you can just ask Google to do it?
@rimu @Catvalente Because you know Google will get bored with it and drop that service like an incandescent brick as soon as the PM responsible gets a promotion.

@Catvalente pretty foolish if that's the case. At least three other companies better at that than Google are.

Does look like it though, they want to be an answer service instead of a web index now.

@Catvalente but all LLMs can do is copy/mix language from the writings they've been fed. So to make it work, they need to keep finding ways to continue stealing content from all of us for "training."
@lauerhahn @Catvalente I don’t think they will care much about quality if they have a monopoly on content.
@lauerhahn @Catvalente
That's next quarter, and therefore irrelevant, I expect
@Catvalente @cstross except also that if websites go away, where will those AI get their fresh content from? It’s killing the golden goose.
@otolithe @Catvalente It's all about Line Must Go Up, though; nobody in the C-suite cares about the long term (by which I mean the > 90 day profit/loss term) because they might not get their bonus and then they'd be hit by truck-kun and isekai'd to a shard with no internet and a shitty System that insists their character class is "rogue (confidence trickster)".
@cstross @Catvalente which is why the Golden Goose is the chef’s kiss perfect metaphor for “modern” capitalism.
@cstross @Catvalente the sad part is: until now, they’ve always found another goose to milk (🤔) and then kill… problem is: each goose they kill was actually feeding a lot of people.

@Catvalente Yeah, this has been something they've been working towards for a while. It was really frustrating writing technical documentation for a website and you can specify content that you want search engines to use for the summary, and a few years ago Google stopped pulling from that and instead detected the steps of the procedure to display in the search results so you never have to leave Google.

Hugely frustrating! Not only do we not get the hits to know what pages people are visiting>

@Catvalente >but people viewing that don't get all the important info about prerequisites and warnings for what might go wrong.

And then people complain because they've not seen that and they just say, 'Well, that's not what it says on Google,' and it's like, no. You actually need to go to our help documentation to get reliable instructions about what to do. We are not responsible for what Google tells you.

@Rhube @Catvalente The decontextualization of information (its source, author, audience, etc) first in onebox and then all over the internet (TikTok, YouTube Shorts) and now in all these LLMs is fucking maddening to me
@Catvalente Well and this is why it’s not going to work long term—eventually Google traffic to big publishers will drop far enough that the big publishers will just block their crawlers. And people who care will go somewhere else (Kagi is great). But it’s going to suck the whole time until this whole mess gets sorted to some degree

@Catvalente Enclosure is about making sure you get all the money from the enclosed thing. It has nothing to do with the health and well being of the enclosed thing.

This trouble could be described as "enclosing intellectual cooperation" or similar; the web starts as a way to share science while doing science. Enclosing all intellectual cooperation is all human endeavour in some ways but for this purpose is more like the authority of facts.

(The big fight is mostly over who owns facts.)

@Catvalente yeah. that tracks. a lot. hadn't looked at it from this angle, but it correlates really well with their whole product offerings for the last decade... thanks.
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