Why Denmark is dumping Microsoft Office and Windows for #LibreOffice and #Linux https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-denmark-is-dumping-microsoft-office-and-windows-for-libreoffice-and-linux/ by @sjvn

Europe doesn't trust the US government or its tech powers, so its countries are looking elsewhere.

Why Denmark is dumping Microsoft Office and Windows for LibreOffice and Linux

Before the Danish government announced its move, Denmark's largest cities, Copenhagen and Aarhus, had already announced plans to phase out Microsoft software and cloud services. Here's why.

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@sjvn I think Denmark is making a very wise choice.

@sjvn

Everyone should have done this long ago.

If you have not, today is a good day to start.

#FOSS

@sjvn Regarding Denmark being in the claws of Microsoft ... Close to 20 years ago I worked in a Scandinavian company with the HQ in Copenhagen. When there were plans to do infrastructure investments and upgrades, the branches outside Denmark looked at open source alternatives (which was scarce back then compared to now) while Denmark jumped straight to Microsoft's solutions without blinking.

When the others of us questioned that, it was just shallow answers like "Microsoft is solid and won't go away anytime soon and they have the expertise we need". And when talking to Danish IT consultants, they usually confirmed the trend, even saying "If you want a job in IT in Denmark, start with Microsoft certifications and you'll end up having more than enough to do".

@dazo @sjvn This stuff was really hard 20 years ago (the Munich Linux saga has been going on for longer that that). Back then, Microsoft was at its peak. Windows XP was more stable than previous desktop versions, MS-Office was backward-compatible, they were doing well.

Today, LibreOffice will open legacy MS-Word documents that current MS-Word won't ( https://blog.jgc.org/2024/02/the-original-www-proposal-is-word-for.html ) and in general MSFT software is getting more cluttered with privacy/security risks like upsells to cloud and "AI"

The original WWW proposal is a Word for Macintosh 4.0 file from 1990, can we open it?

The W3C has a page with the original WWW proposal from Tim Berners-Lee. One of the downloads says  The original document file (I think - I ...

@dmarti @dazo @sjvn

Probably so at scale, but fairly easy to adopt at an individual level, as I did about 2002.

@linuxgnome @dazo @sjvn Yes, it really depends if you're locked in to a content creation or collaboration application that doesn't have Linux support. (Even though a lot of business software runs in the browser now, and a lot of dev tools have native Linux support, the big CAD applications are still a deal-breaker)
@sjvn good move, I love Libre Office. Finished writing my first novel on it.
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@sjvn I’d like to hear that Denmark (and the EU and other member countries, for that matter) now donates either serious money and/or significant resources to help maintain and develop the open source projects.
@ujay68 @sjvn Agreed. There is an organization that makes open source software for the municipalities (os2.eu), but there is not a lot of support for the infrastructure. Open source is essentially always sold as free to use.
@mjj It’s free to use. It must be free to use. And it must stay to be free to use. However, large organizations and governments first of all should feel obligated to support not only their own free software operations but also the community and its development.
@ujay68 Completely agree. My point is that when we argue for open source software, I can pull up a list of arguments, and the only one that remains at the end of the day is "no obligation to pay or contribute"...
@mjj Who reduces that list? I think that aspects like autonomy/sovereignty, transparency, and non-surveillance are very strong points especially now.
@ujay68 That would be my own priority. But I work for the Danish capital - and working the way through a wall of Microsoft and other corporate entities is genuinely hard in Denmark.

@sjvn I was CIO of a multi-billion $$$ company a decade ago. I tried to help them navigate a shift to Open Office (this was before the Libre Office fork) as every user was barely using the features of the MS Office Suite.

My goodness, the resistance I encountered! The CEO decided to keep burning money on a suite that was only lightly used but everyone insisted they needed.

"digital sovereignty."

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Google and Facebook are filling Washington with tanks, twitter is kidnapping people off the streets, adobe funded this coup.

Don't use their software.

@sjvn “We recommend that companies and authorities create exit plans for the use of, for example, cloud services, and that they also ensure that they have strong ownership of the data”
@Lyle @sjvn Yes this is the other area where the risks are just way too high. At a minimum your data and mission critical systems should be put back on premise asap.
@sjvn We need to support #GrapheneOS the future of Android is uncertain

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Will they be the large body we always wanted to drive the Linux desktop cleanup process?
I kinda hope so.

@megatronicthronbanks @sjvn Denmark is getting all the press this week, but Schleswig-Holstien announced the same earlier this year (or late last?).

This is a trend that I hope continues.

@ktneely @megatronicthronbanks It started last year, but it's moving slowly from what The Document Foundation had to say afew months back.

@sjvn

Digital Sovereignty, is indeed important, especially the way things are going.

It is why I have been working on a list of digital service providers, outside U.S. Jurisdiction, and that, of course, includes operating systems.

https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction

Outside_Us_Jurisdiction

Digital Service Providers outside the jurisdiction of the United States of America.

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@sjvn I live here and I don't trust them. And I haven't for at least 15 years.
@sjvn Great move. This is a move towards independence and real freedom.
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@sjvn i've heard that germany is already independent of microsoft big tech, because they are still using fax machines. is this true?
@sjvn Similar announcements have been made before. Twice in Germany. The most they've achieved in the past is convincing Microsoft to offer some steep discounts. Eventually the state officials realise that moving platform requires severe levels of re-training costs
@sjvn Compare with e.g. https://administrator.de/imho/limux-ende-in-muenchen-wie-ein-linux-projekt-unter-ausschluss-der-oeffentlichkeit-zerstoert-wurde-356013.html (we used to have Linux on the citys government computers till a few years ago)
Limux-Ende in München: Wie ein Linux Projekt unter Ausschluss der Öffentlichkeit zerstört wurde

Mein persönlicher Kommentar zum Thema "Limux-Ende". Die SPD-Politikerin Anne Hübner hat die Richtung von München ganz klar definiert: "Wir brauchen ...

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@sjvn The latest news that I saw was the the minister for digitisation has decided that half of her own administration will now run Linux and LibreOffice in order to gain experience with it before going further.

@sjvn And at the same time the Danish government is signing a 4 year cloud contract with US providers.

We are not moving fast enough in the independence direction, but we are doing things that would have been inconceivable before. Just not fast enough.

https://social.data.coop/@tbhdk/114669246600121722

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Staten har så valgt at tage 4 år mere med de amerikanske tech giganter Microsoft, Google og AWS. Digitaliseringsministerens memo er tilsyneladende ikke blevet læst rundt omkring i staten eller også mener politikerne det ikke alvorligt. 📰 https://www.version2.dk/artikel/mens-minister-vil-udskifte-microsoft-binder-staten-sig-igen-til-amerikansk-cloud

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@sjvn way to go, Denmark! I switched to Linux at the beginning of this year, and am so far satisfied with it. I think open-source is the way of the futute.
@sjvn Sorry, but: this is one single ministry, not Denmark.

@sjvn Narrator: And yet they aren't...

This is just one small dept.

Something tells me the heads of govts and corps like being able to spy on employees, and Microsoft gives them that ability like no other. Meanwhile, antitrust suits will come raining down on the platforms that are most resistant to becoming spyware.

(There has been very little MS antitrust in the news in recent years.)