iamBullivant20mph speed limits save lives. Research from London:
"Child casualties dropped by 46%, and children killed by 75%"
20mph = Fewer maimed and dead children.
Difficult to argue with that.
CodeByJeff@bullivant aren't you folks supposed to be using the metric system?
@codebyjeff Not in the UK, really. It depends. Fuel and food, by and large metric. Speed limits still Imperial.
@bullivant yeah, I know
and people weight by stone, and beer volume by pint
I'm just mentioning for the next time a Brit decides they "can't comprehend the American Fahrenheit system, and why don't we go metric?"
Which is a dumb reason to hijack a thread about saving children's lives, but I'm in one of those moods atm
Robyn@codebyjeff
Continuing with the highjacking -
Fahrenheit makes no sense to me whatsoever, not just because my country has been metric since before I was born, but also because the Celsius scale is tied to a meaningful physical constant and Fahrenheit just isn't. However I can easily roughly convert miles to km as they at least have the same zero. I am also slightly envious that the imperial or US customary unit users have the excellent slogan "twenty is plenty" when advocating for lower limits, whilst 'thirty is less hurty" just doesn't work as well
@bullivant
Continuing with the highjacking -
Fahrenheit makes no sense to me whatsoever, not just because my country has been metric since before I was born, but also because the Celsius scale is tied to a meaningful physical constant and Fahrenheit just isn't. However I can easily roughly convert miles to km as they at least have the same zero. I am also slightly envious that the imperial or US customary unit users have the excellent slogan "twenty is plenty" when advocating for lower limits, whilst 'thirty is less hurty" just doesn't work as well
@bullivant
ChrisR@RedRobyn I think 100 Fahrenheit was the blood temperature of a cow, and 0F was the minimum melting point of water with lots of salts added. So, you're right!
groff 🇺🇦Celsius is tied to distilled water, Fahrenheit to salted ice.
0°F was the lowest temperature reached by adding salt to ice, then the melting point of snow was separated from the boiling point of water by 180°.
Celsius originally had 0 as the boiling point of water and 100 as the melting point of snow. So that was even weirder.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@codebyjeff @bullivant Dunno who still weighs people by stones - I'm past state pension age and have been using kilograms for decades.
Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK@TimWardCam @codebyjeff @bullivant
health and social care uses metric for recording weight and height since at least the 1980s..
The mixed units are even more cursed, all roads/civil engineering work starts out in kilometres/metres and is then converted *back* to miles and yards just for the purpose of road signs..
Carnivius@vfrmedia @TimWardCam @codebyjeff @bullivant
Eh my doctor always weighed me by kilos. Which I like. Cos a bag of sugar is an easy way for me to visualise 1 kilogram so when I lost weight I could picture multiple bags of sugar just disappearing. Or something. :D
point is (if I really have one at all) yeah i like the kilos. :D
Dermot Ryan@Carnivius @vfrmedia @TimWardCam @codebyjeff @bullivant L of milk or orange juice also weigh about a kilo. Anything that's mostly water. The mass of 1L of water used to be the definition of a kg. Sort of like fluid ounces, I think (a fluid ounce being the volume occupied by one ounce of water).
So I imagine anyone who is used to using L for volume has a good handle on 1kg. In fact, a quart of water isn't that far off 1kg either.
@dermotryanie @Carnivius @TimWardCam @codebyjeff @bullivant
in primary school here in England we were taught at quite an early age that a litre of water and 1 kg were equivalent, and that 1000 cm^3 was the volume of 1 litre of water (which was given as the reason as to why using metric made sense).
Pretty much everyone born around 1972 or afterwards would have been taught mostly in metric during their entire schooldays, and only had a couple of maths lessons about the older imperial units and how to convert to/from them..
@TimWardCam @codebyjeff Got to be honest, if I ever weighted myself it would be stones/pounds. Don't know why.
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Rí Rua 
@bullivant the 20mph limit, in the Scottish Highlands, is viewed as a "war on motorists" 🙄🙄
@mactunag Sigh.
Yet I live in Sevenoaks a very 'conservative' area in Kent which recently voted 'for' 20mph speed limits throughout the town to 'protect the children'.
This was at the same time as the Conservative party nationally was raging against the same 20mph speed limits 'cause 'liberties' or something. Go figure. 🤔
@bullivant they know how to play the electorate =/
@mactunag I think that they (like Labour) are playing to a small chunk of the electorate: Reform curious voters.
Otherwise, the electorate are ignoring them in places like Sevenoaks so it's just making them look stupid and impotent.
Jonathan Schofieldthere shouldn’t be a ‘war’ on motorists but there should at the very least be some stern reminders https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/114635342185741514
Raymond Russell@mactunag @bullivant
Everything is viewed as war on motorists.
Part of the problem is that there is a heavy tax burden on motorists, which I agree with. Road networks are expensive to maintain and financial encouragement not to drive unless really necessary is no bad thing.
However certain motorists view paying for roads as a license (sic) to do what ever the hell they want cos they own it. Any reasonable infringement becomes a tabloid "War on Motorists" story.
Everything is viewed as war on motorists.
Part of the problem is that there is a heavy tax burden on motorists, which I agree with. Road networks are expensive to maintain and financial encouragement not to drive unless really necessary is no bad thing.
However certain motorists view paying for roads as a license (sic) to do what ever the hell they want cos they own it. Any reasonable infringement becomes a tabloid "War on Motorists" story.
@raymierussell @mactunag Yeap. And rail and bus (outside cities) is driving more people onto the roads. It's mad.
@raymierussell agree with the point on taxation = license to drive as they wish. It's frustrating =/
Yora@bullivant Yeah, 0% surprise there.
ManicCurious why London (Not a UK resident) doesn't just prevent mass transit into London city.
I'm all for preventing child related injuries, does this not just increase travel time and congestion? Is there an alternatives, such as barriers keeping kids and cars separate?
Seems a quick bandaid that blanket targets drivers instead of really adjusting to pedestrian safety. A half measure.
Jake 
@Manic_Walrus teah, and modern cars aren’t meant to go 20 mph, so it’s almost impossible to obey the law
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HTPC NZ@bullivant our nz govt is doing the opposite reversing speed limit reductions, think their message to the base is faster you go, more "brown" kids you will "eliminate".
Dr Susi Arnott@bullivant International campaign, has some great new free-to-use image resources from London #carspreading #cleancities https://cleancitiescampaign.org/carspreading/
@SusiArnott thanks for the share, Susi.
SellaTheChemist@SusiArnott @bullivant Don’t overlook bikespreading. The new M-Line Bromptons are only the sexy tip of the iceberg, but e-bikes with super fat tyres (keep an eye on the e-mountainbikers in the alps) are part of that trend. #bikebloat #cycling #fat
JD@bullivant and in other news water is wet. How much money and time did they waste on that study? They could have just called me and have the answer in about 5 seconds.
🔶Mark Nicoll 3.5%🏴🇬🇧🇪🇺🇺🇳@JD38 @bullivant
RTCs have to be reported by law. It was hardly a significant use of time and money to compare two sets of numbers in a database and calculate the difference between them. Statistics you absolutely could not have given them in five seconds 🤣.
RTCs have to be reported by law. It was hardly a significant use of time and money to compare two sets of numbers in a database and calculate the difference between them. Statistics you absolutely could not have given them in five seconds 🤣.
sunflowerinrain@bullivant
Reading a piece objecting to the speed limits, suddenly it transformed in my mind into "Don't want to eat my vegetables! Want cake! Waaaah!!"
Reading a piece objecting to the speed limits, suddenly it transformed in my mind into "Don't want to eat my vegetables! Want cake! Waaaah!!"
Optimistic Moron@bullivant even more lives can be saved if they stop driving on the wrong side of the road.
@bullivant How about you give your children lessons how to independently cross the street without getting hit by a car, physically looking both ways before crossing. A light never physically stopped a car from going through it. BTW is not speed that kills its G force. #physics & #physiology
@Neur0 It's not an either/or.
Drey@bullivant - Good move; Hip Hip Hoorah.
@bullivant this has annoyed Reform, who preferred more deaths.
Walrus 🏴Andrew R2D2 Davies also hates the reduction in deaths and injuries.
Ⓥ Gregory Trolliet Ⓐ🔻 🇵🇸@bullivant Qui aurait pu prédire?
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WesDym@bullivant This is a product of our evolution. Humans are evolved to withstand impacts that we can create under our own power, such as running into a tree. Above that, injury goes up very quickly.
@wesdym Good point Wes.
Erwan 🚄@bullivant Oh we get people arguing in France (it's not 20 mph, but 30 km/h very slight difference)
Daniel (Not A Lawyer)@bullivant And yet people will.
@deedeeque Depressing isn't it? It's simple physics. Momentum is mass times velocity. The bigger the mass or velocity the greater the impact on anyone or anything you hit.
Green Hombre@bullivant
California just passed a law to restrict to 20 mph around schools. Hopefully, the governor will sign it.
California just passed a law to restrict to 20 mph around schools. Hopefully, the governor will sign it.
@bullivant "But the economy!"
(Which, just like covid denial, fails to explain what use "the economy" is to a dead person.)
@TimWardCam @bullivant
Yet again, a case where replacing "the economy" with "rich people's yacht money" explains everything.
Yet again, a case where replacing "the economy" with "rich people's yacht money" explains everything.
Robin Barton@bullivant but argue they will
@Robo105 Yes. Their sense of entitlement overrides the risk to pedestrians.
@bullivant Well put
sgt1372@bullivant Who drives 20mph anywhere except thru school zones with traffic guards??? 🤔
Of course, if the speed limit is ZERO, there should be no death or injuries caused by cars but someone will find a way to blame cars for a death anyway. 🤷♂️
David Mitchell 
“Difficult to argue with that.”
And yet they do… every time. Vociferously.
Which tells you that whatever petty convenience they are crying about is more important to them than the lives of children. Fascists always tell on themselves.
masukomi@bullivant yes but think of the drivers!
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(sarcasm)
Epistatacadam@bullivant I guess now it's from London it counts as real data, for the idiots in the limited company, but they'll ignore it. Eddie Cochran got it right "I'd love to help you son, but you're too young to vote!"