"A rocky rescue request"
(friendica post, please visit the originating page in desktop to get a full glimpse)
// v.04
Link to previous versions of this proposal

Red the Bean wrote:

Interesting... I shall contribute 😈
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I am confused

Mina is your friend wrote:

As long, as it is easy like that, I shall be the bouncer (patobica).
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I am confused myself.

Daniel Prieto wrote:

I must confess that this thread is quite confusing for me too.
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Some mushroom experience got me here. I kinda guessed...

bitPickup wrote:

That's good!

sinmisterios wrote:

.. sigo porque el proyecto tierranietos me parece interesante ..


Trying to drag others into this we mentioned:
@aiquez who had joined forces in the first @studi0 project #fallVonMerz and re-shared the first version of this post already.
@crossgolf_rebel, a decade long contact out here in the fedi, kinda reference, who does audio recordings and has experiences with podcasts publishing on funkWhale. He fav'ed the first version of this post and added a thinking face to it.
@mina became the self-proclaimed patovica bouncer, a contact that owns all three involved languages (spanisch/german/englisch), has apparently real life knowledge of the region down here (or there, or anywhere), and claims to see everything.
@resl, a confused squirrel.
@dprieto, a quiet confused local interested in mushrooms.
@sinmisteros@mastodon.uy, a local somhow intrested to know about the tierraNietos project from here mastodon APP on her celphone.


As a means of tools, besides ourselves and our very own skills, we do have:

fediVerse profileseach and every ones profile(s)peerTube profileshere and there and everywheremedia pages the subdomain concept as exemplified in the fallVonMerz projectpodcast instances tupambae dot.org and dot.comphpBB permacultureforumThe Permacultureforum added actually forum and image sections related to aspects that came up in this thread and that actually were overdue. Chat and audio or video tools | element/matrix matrix channelsthe tupambae principlesas defined in Impressum and TOS
common ground | CC-BY-SA-NC
Terms of Service
unknown
contain lot's of small written rules
change every day
depend on the country you are posting from and the country you are posting to
can't be breached until declared in the very moment
Rules
be kind to each other
do not intent to be rude
do not intent to be hurtful
try not to suppose


To begin with, this sounds like a lot, what do you people think?

layout consideration to work onAs a howTo proposal, let's try to make this post a comprehensive communication about a project. Instead of adding a eternal list of comments, let's try o edit and reedit our comments here so we keep this kinda compact and tidy. We can even come up with posting links to new conversation strings on specific topics or off-topic conversations.

Let's play and reinvent another wheel!

Mention of the permaculture communityTo reach more people that are involved in the underlying goal which is to preserve and evolve the earth of our grand children, creating a permanent human culture based on principals that enable in the first place a permanent agricultural development we tchoose to involve the @permaculture friendica foum page.
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"A rocky rescue request" edition versions

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aiquez wrote:

i think it is difficult not to have at least an agenda / topic .. some things were working indeed ( #FoFritz ) but on the longer run, it has to be clear if it is an art Project or collaborative_system_trial
i got 2 less time in daily life (2 much occupied by work and fam) only in holiday and some free time.

Even tho while your observation is reasonable, and excellent in terms of feedback @aiquez, including our very personal circumstances, it doesn't look like you or @mina are right in terms about clearness of what this is/was from the beginning, or what apparently it mend to be.
The problem in any case is around the setup and/or kind of announcement/invite in a world of microblogging and federated content over different platforms, languages, societies, space, time (and all the rest).

Than there were in part some misunderstandings in terms of platform functionality about getting update notifications, as it was worked out with @mina. The first drafts contained a 25 minute audio that wasn't summed up and didn't get the feedback "requested". Or it didn't get the feedback as expected to become summed up at least in general terms by conversations. If you have a look right now at the first initial post, it's in version v.04 and has a renewed quite simple freeplane mindmap, as the initial idea, the way of presenting it and the time to represent it evolved. Ultimately the proposal is more or less about what an answer to @sinmisterios summed up later on:

bitpickup translated into englisch wrote:

The reality is that this is a string of conversation about:
  • how to make us join to create content
  • how to create it
  • what tools to use to do so
  • how to publish the content
    and
  • where to publish it


and all that around a specific topic as a hook for a proof of concept.
Ultimately the proposal is simple and called:
#mitDenken

If you look at it, to a certain extent now we are at a point where even each and every one of the points, except the one of co-editing content, that's the studi0 and the media page part, have been touched or exemplified. Actually, the same happened to #foFritz too. At the same time, quite like in the #foFritz project, the community accounts (bitpickup, jesuisatire (and tierranietos)) have dedicated themselves to the project kinda full time 96/7/365. Others, to more or less extent have joined efforts to add content by comments but not so much questions, clarifying answers or own initiatives. Except @dprieto, who actually went off on a branch that in reality belonged to some specific content by tierranietos. A detail that in the end was useful and a good feedback at the same time because it showed how we perceive the communication out here and in any case gave some hints about what is needed to make things like this proposal work if that is possible at all.

Somehow this "project", the search for how to prevent "the one who is out there all alone" to drown in his #depression, loneliness and #climateGrief, and together with that actually ultimately "how to sustain and protect La tierra de nuestros nietos", tries to tackle exactly "the emptiness of the common social media that programmed us", as pointed out quite neat by @_elena in her latest trailer #theFedi. And if we talk about "try to tackle", we would come to points that weren't even touched, or perhaps were expected to be touched thru feed back conversations about trust, cooperation and so on.

At the same time, main point is and always will be, that most of us are just people out here who are chit-chatting, looking for some entertainment and didn't subscribe, nor requested to become some kind of independent lossless pseudonym ONG to fulfill the expectations of others. So the first point of the sum-up, "how to join forces", has worked out to a certain extent by addressing contacts out of specific reasons. At the same time those contacts became kinda baffled because they found themself in comments and discussions that looked off-topic for them. Even more because they by themselves did not out of an own impulse "subscribe" to some #greenPeaceLastGenerationTwoPoint0 project and there for not only became confused but even maybe became feed up somehow. And again, all this in an ambience of strangers in a dopamine wanna be social-web short span attention entertainment snippet reality.

In other words, as pointed out by @bitpickup:

  • is/was this post string a useful experience?
    yes
  • is/was this a useful experience to build on that can stand/remain as it is?
    yes
  • was it successful?
    As of now, not really.
  • did the initial proposal has "at least an agenda / topic"
    Actually it did, but all of you, as for now, never managed to work that out and stumbled over nitpicking details, quite nice chit-chat content, worthy for kind slap stick comic conversation string, and probably strange nerv wrecking results because of dopamine, micro-blogging and previous negative social media experiences which all together create misunderstanding and perhaps even feelings that become perceived as offensive or feeling offended.

At least that is the interpretation from over here.

Last but not least:

aiquez wrote:

the sftp_issue could be interesting
-> collecting_files for activism or arts .. lets see
Actually it looks like this is where the #foFritz-@studi0 project "got stuck" for now, not in terms of creating sftp access in the first place, but in terms of downloading the material for #FOSS co-editing with #KDEnlive, #OBS and/or #GIMP and working out howTo's and how to do that in the first place. In any case, ultimately even an issue that in part ends up in conversations and best practice about trust and creating a #webOfTrust between those involved in a mandatory and by default pseudonym environment, as you are supposed to download a zip/tar.gz and/or files and open them on your system.


btw
Looks like #foFritz actually evolved into #idenTheater and is actually just there, waiting to be used for all kinds of news slaughter, exposure, satirizing of tyrants and all those things.

Last take was the envy of a dying emperor over people who farewelled their beloved humble neighbor who was forced by life to become president for one term.


@crossgolf_rebel @resl

requeteChe wrote:

.. some kind of independent lossless pseudonym ONG ..
..
In any case, ultimately even an issue that in part ends up in conversations and best practice about trust and creating a #webOfTrust between those involved in a mandatory and by default pseudonym environment ..
Ultimately this is a crucial point that needs to be worked out very well as the internet itself, scamming on one hand and at the same time on the other hand real people and their data and safety, are issues that can't be underestimated.


Examples:
"Die Tinder-Schwindler: Der Riesenbetrug mit der Liebe | SPIEGEL TV":
A spiegelTV documentary on YT about scams on the web. Not only a blueprint for scamers but an interesting take that shows a lot of angles and the damage all this implies.
"Gewalt gegen (kolumbianische) Aktivisten":
A #TAZ article by @tazgetroete about the exposure of environmental activists in particular in #latinAmerica:

TAZ translated wrote:

Bangkok afp | According to a report, almost 200 environmental activists were murdered worldwide last year. According to the non-governmental organization Global Witness on Tuesday, Latin America remains the most dangerous region for people working to protect the environment and respect land rights.

So, while in general terms we do have all the tools at hand, including even options like some kind of escrow guarantees for monetary aspects and things like #SEGWIT ID profiles @bc1q3jmgjcvmd5eaadx69ggazctksr0d7ca4q6w4vr and even simple ID verification's via payPal for example, first of all this has to do with the interest of people to involve themselves in working out some how some kind of:

  • proof of concepts
  • proof of work
  • proof of stake
  • proof of cooperation


#altText:
Some video snippets of the #spiegelTV documentation about internet scams. The subtitels are in englisch, The people interviewed are seen in their environment.

@mina @aiquez @sinmisterios @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

@bitpickup
> .. some kind of #NGO ..

This definitely sound like a fantastic idea!

We should start by creating a #commission, a #comity, contract some office employees, who define their own salary and preferable in the first world, specialists with a PhD who define their own salary and preferable in the first world that sign papers that prove the #carbonFootPrint and result in some #CO₂Certificates that we can trade on #wallStreet.

#fediHelp
What else comes to mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW3gaelBypY

@mina @aiquez @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

The Carbon Offset Problem

YouTube

@jesuisatire
>> .. some kind of #NGO ..
> This definitely sound like a fantastic idea!

El departamento de Cerro Largo tiene 87 mil habitantes, 1.650 funcionarios públicos y 410 ONG's. El 86% vota al partido de gobierno (Partido Blanco) y oficialmente tiene un 0% de desempleo.

En Perspectiva: Entrevista Christian Morel - Intendente electo de #CerroLargo:
https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2106299988-en-perspectiva-uy-entrevista-christian-morel-intendente-electo-de-cerro-largo.mp3

@mina @aiquez @dprieto

@jesuisatire @bitpickup @mina @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

maybe also perma-culture with cycle-based agroforestry TripleA_certificates

Even tho yours was a response to a comment by @jesuisatire I guess it's kinda "in serious" @aiquez.

Can you elaborate?

@mina @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

@bitpickup @jesuisatire @mina @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

sure . you can plant ,, eat the plants, use plant_residues and your pee .. as fertilizer . grow food etc ..

the waste can also be used to gain biogas . https://be-nrg.com/de/home/

in germany was a project https://p2green.eu/

further tests a running

to come back to cycling .. for these processes you could making a real good certificate_label .. #EcoLogics

Biogas für zu Hause - mit (B)energy wird's möglich

Haushaltsbiogas oder sogenanntes Homebiogas macht unabhängig und autark. Ganz eigenständig kann man Kochenergie im eigenen Garten produzieren.

(B)energy

@aiquez
Good point. Thanks for the link. At the same time, as in general, all these aplications and technologies definitewly depend on where, where, why and how. In this particular case, and the german climate, I guess the best recycling of garden in most cases are worms. In general all those implementations should if possible be build recycling material, not creating more waste. The best biogas aplication we actually are half way to implement at @tierranietos is the IBC container model. And having in mind that over here there are always some cows near by, this project definitely should be realized.
youtube.com/watch?v=Cwm5Rm8uIs…

@mina @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

Solar CITIES IBC Biogas System Tutorial Complete

YouTube

@bitpickup @mina @tierranietos @crossgolf_rebel @resl @dprieto

yes IBC can be good ..
depends if you got liquid or solid ~waste~ (edit: substrates = value material).

i did also some ReactorDesign and check which technology is best suitable.
.. when i got more time i am building prototype . maybe a PFR (PlugFlow). at the time i got only calculations ..