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Thomas TB Jun 4

"As Gaza faces over three months of Israeli blockade, a group of 12 activists is sailing to Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid. The Madleen ship was launched by the Freedom Flotilla Coalition and initially planned to sail from Malta last month, but the group’s ship was damaged in a drone attack. The new mission includes the renowned Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, who speaks with Democracy Now! live from the Madleen."

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/6/4/greta_thunberg_gaza_aid_flotilla

#Gaza #Israel #GretaThunberg

Greta Thunberg Speaks from Aid Ship Heading to Gaza Despite Israeli Threats: It’s My Moral Obligation

As Gaza faces over three months of Israeli blockade, a group of 12 activists is sailing to Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid. The Madleen ship was launched by the Freedom Flotilla Coalition and initially planned to sail from Malta last month, but the group’s ship was damaged in a drone attack. The new mission includes the renowned Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, who speaks with Democracy Now! live from the Madleen. “We deem the risk of silence and the risk of inaction to be so much more deadly than this mission,” says Thunberg.

Democracy Now!

Anti. 🐘2d ago

Yesterday the account @CyborgMedusa@ohai.social attacked me for linking to this interview with Greta Thunberg in regards to the #FreedomFlotilla.

They told me i was pushing an "islamist or antisemite agenda", later they said i was depraved, talking out of my ass, before they blocked me.

I am not sure if i reacted in the best way, would love to hear your feedback.

How to react to these types of accusations?

But what kept me up all night was a different thing.

Not one person came to my support.

Anti. 🐘2d ago

Self-critically i would say that i did take their bait.

I should have redirected the discussion to the interview that i had linked to.

I did always have some doubts about the #FreedomFlotilla action. The way they handled the sea rescues was terrible. You do not hand them over to Frontex. I never vetted all the people on the boat. It was mostly a symbolic action.

But. It did bring much needed attention to the dire situation in Gaza. We do need to find ways to bring humanitarian aid there.

Anti. 🐘1d ago

So i just received a "moderation warning" for a post that is almost 10 days old.

Seems to me, the guy who attacked and harassed me yesterday now went back through my timeline to report me.

But also, the people running this server find it is more important to heckle people for a missing CW than to protect or support them when they get attacked.

Figures.

I fucking hate Mastodon.

It's the place where humor goes to die.

Sofie_unlabeled 1d ago

chaos.social This is so shitty, I'd change the authority. They don't like anarchists.

fr3nzin3 1d ago

@antiaall3s as ridiculous as that is - sucks nevertheless.

LukefromDC 2d ago

@antiaall3s I didn't see this but good for you standing up for Palestine against a pro-IOF shill. Tell them to go to Hell, and to have a coffee with Netanyahu when he arrives there.

Pippi Punkstrumpf🍉2d ago

@antiaall3s ich konnte ihre Kommentare gar nicht sehen, ich glaube aber das blocken hier als einziges hilft.

Marga Xeyat Ⓐ 1d ago

@PippiPunkstrumpf @antiaall3s Ich glaube auch. Es gibt bestimmte Personengruppen, mit denen man einfach nicht diskutieren kann. Dazu gehören u.a. Nazis, voll indoktrinierte Anhänger der bürgerlichen Politik und Staatsräsonisten.

Pippi Punkstrumpf🍉1d ago

@MargaXeyat @antiaall3s das! und manche wollen nur ihre einstudierten "Argumente" runterbrüllen.
Ich hab ganz zu Anfang noch hier darüber hin und her geschrieben..nachher war nur eins klar: ich habe halt nicht verstanden, wie antisemitisch ich bin. Und irgendwie war das zu Beginn auch echt schmerzhaft, wenn man sich selber mit Büchern und Reportagen etc über das Thema informiert hat und die einem dann Lanz und Meinungsartikel entgegenbrüllen.

Mittlerweile...

Marga Xeyat Ⓐ 1d ago

@PippiPunkstrumpf @antiaall3s Ja, das kenne ich gut mit den einstudierten Phrasen, die man sich dann anhören muss 🙄
Bücher und fundiertes Wissen über ein Thema zählen nicht, die lassen ja gar keine Argumente zu in ihrer in sich geschlossenen Welt.

Pippi Punkstrumpf🍉1d ago

@MargaXeyat @antiaall3s 💯

Brett Sheffield (he/him)2d ago

@antiaall3s It looks like you tried to engage in good faith argument with someone who was not. When someone comes out of the gate aggressively attacking you like that, just add a note to their profile, and block.

They don't want to debate, they want to enrage. Just block. Or block and report.

The best support anyone could have offered you is to use their block (and possibly report) buttons.

Anti. 🐘1d ago

@dentangle Yeah, it may well be the case that they were not interested in debate.
Having said that, some of the links they sent me do paint a bad picture. It does not look as if the participants on the boat were that well vetted.
I am interested in nuance in this as in all matters, in defending the grey zone.

Brett Sheffield (he/him)1d ago

@antiaall3s Those kind of arguments are a distraction and an attempt to undermine the credibility of those involved as a way to undermine the credibility of the boat's mission, and ultimately to justify genocide.

They appeal to your logic and your emotion and your desire to be fair and rational by distracting you from the main point.

Focus on the big thing happening here: genocide.

Bad people can do good things, and anyone on that boat trying to bring aid and attention to Gaza is doing good.

Anti. 🐘1d ago

@dentangle 💯

The only question that remains for me, do we really need to make it so fucking easy for the other side to find this type of content?

Antisemitism can never be defended. I do tend to think that the organizers should have vetted these people better.

@antiaall3s Listen to Brett, he is making sense. Please don't allow others to manipulate you into second-guessing your morals and values.

@dentangle I second this. @antiaall3s

fr3nzin3 1d ago

@antiaall3s the 'social' in social media is sometimes as disputable as the 'intelligence' in AI. As you say it should have been the job of the organisation to vet participants and anticipate these issues. But Greta did a great job during her interview afterwards by not engaging in the deflections and bringing it back to the valid and important message of their action.

David Haberthür 1d ago

@antiaall3s Re: no support: there’s maybe also people who didn’t see anything of that thread.

Anti. 🐘1d ago

@habi Yeah, it's an issue here. Should have boosted one of my replies.

aquascum 1d ago

@antiaall3s sorry, didn't see

Magnus Ahltorp 1d ago

@antiaall3s From the replies I found, I think you responded in a very reasonable and measured way.

It’s very difficult to respond to these kind of comments, and you went well beyond what can be expected of you by reading the links sent to you. Usually these comments include links that are only meant to overwhelm you.

Regarding no one coming to your support: this is not meant to justify anyone’s actions, but many people who wanted to give you support probably didn’t see the accusations.

John Brown Type Beats 1d ago

@antiaall3s
I didn't see the thread where this person was antagonizing you. But I won't usually enter an argument amongst others unless I know one of the accounts.

I find that many people are territorial with their posts and are bothered by others commenting in an unexpected way or without asking for their input. Being a public forum, it's still not always clear how open folks want their conversations.

In case of that person, if I had seen that thread I wouldn't have engaged. That person is arguing in bad faith. There is no argument that diminishes genocide.

@antiaall3s I missed this!

GRETA THUNBERG: My message is that right now international law is failing us. International institutions, our governments are failing us. Media, our companies are all failing us. Or “failing us” is a diplomatic way of saying that our system seems to be designed in a way that is built upon exploitation and oppression of people. And so, there’s no one to turn to. There’s no one we can turn to to rescue the situation, but it falls on us to step up, to continue flooding the streets, to continue organizing, boycotting, to speak up on all platforms to try to send a clear message that we will not stand for what is happening right now.

Anti. 🐘Jun 4

@mu 🖤❤️

@mu @antiaall3s your first fault is to have any faith in a flawed system built on depression, discrimination, unfairness, and lies. The Law and your Rights are words on a piece of paper, just like money its actually worthless, only words on a piece of plastic, $100 bill costs 10c to make. Our society is built on lies, and social delusions. The more something society forces something (ie, Money )and constantly repeated and reinforced with false narrative the more it's really fake.

@mu @antiaall3s > built upon exploitation and oppression of people

That's called civilization. It has been that way since a victorious tribe realized that, instead of gathering their own food, they could make the losers do it.

Civilization has always been a machine designed to enrich its owners. The alternative is tribes that fight each other all the time and make no technological progress, so not a good option.

If anyone can make a civilization that is not like that, it will be a new thing.

@mu @antiaall3s
Right now? Russia destroys Ukraine and Ukrainians since 2022.

Thunberg's informational warfare and call for "resistance" supports hate speech and legitimates real terrorism.

'What was achieved under Nazi-fascism through bloody terror against the organized workers’ movement and the people is to be achieved again today in West Europe through the “information society"'
https://nichequotes.com/red-faction-quotes

34 Red Faction Quotes — Niche Quotes 💬

Anti. 🐘Jun 7

Exactly how does a nonviolent aid mission "support hate speech and legitimate real terrorism"?

And what is the aim of quoting RAF in that context? Or rather without context. I would love to get the original source of said quote, because it sounds to me that what they mean to say is that "the organized workers movement" is now getting repressed "through the information society". Whereas you seem to suggest that Thunberg et al. engage in such a type of warfare.

@antiaall3s @mu
Thunberg is an influencer and part of the "information society", it's her responsibility to condemn violence as well as hate speech when talking about wars. However, I don't think she currently addresses the right audience. The humanitarian aid looks like a PR stunt because they probably won't even reach the Gaza Strip.
https://newrepublic.com/article/195994/violence-tragic-undermines-palestinian-cause
https://archive.is/VcKIm

Violence Against Jews Is Tragic and Undermines the Palestinian Cause

The attack in Colorado, like the recent murders in Washington, must be condemned unequivocally. This is not the path to justice.

The New Republic

Anti. 🐘6d ago

Well, if that's how you mean it, sounds to me as if you completely misunderstood that RAF quote. Looks a bit silly now. But again, i would need the source of the quote and more context.

Thunberg does condemn violence and hate speak since the mission is a non-violent direct action with the aim to bring aid to Gaza. If they won't reach Gaza, it will still be a brave attempt to do the right thing.

It IS a PR stunt! To show the illegality of the Israeli blockade and the complicity of the Western Democratic allies who don't GAF about international law and human rights when it comes to their favourite arms provider and colony. I, for one, look at the reactions of Palestinians in Gaza who see this "stunt" also as a sign that people haven't forgotten about them. People aren't born all-knowing about oppression. If this ship moves more people to awareness about Palestine, this action does good work.

@antiaall3s @mu

@antiaall3s
As a tree hugger I agree.

Cyborg Medusa (Non-CW)2d ago

@antiaall3s I don't know when I can finally stop rectifing self proclaimed leftists, because they push islamist or antisemite agenda "for palestine", but today is not the day, it seems.
This ship was organized by at least one person with connections to Hamas. It hosts activists who participated in the funeral procession for Hisbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, a group which helped in keeping Bashar Al-Assad in power or an MEP who celebrated the Hamas attack and still denies any of their wrongdoing.

Cyborg Medusa (Non-CW)2d ago

@antiaall3s it hosts turkish activists celebrating the bombing of Israel by Iran. The MEP I mentioned proudly confirms that the crew handed over 4 sudanese refugees they rescued from drowning to fucking Frontex.
When do you stop selling your solidarity so cheaply? When do you realize that all these so-called leftists have done, was helping activist influencers and islamists get clout instead of helping Palestinians and Israelis achieve peace?

Anti. 🐘2d ago

Do you have any sources for these wild claims (other than Israeli propaganda)?

They way this is going i fear next you're going to say "but they gave the activists sandwiches".

Cyborg Medusa (Non-CW)2d ago

@antiaall3s Your depravity is showing when confronted with these claims, you immediately jump to "israeli propaganda" instead of reflecting.
So this collection is not for you, but for anyone who hasn't lost their mind:
Zaher Birawi - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/09/zaher-birawi-hamas-operative-greta-thunbergs-gaza-flotilla/
“[...] publicly available video shows him hosting a 2019 event in London titled Understanding Hamas,” Christian Wakeford, Labor MP
"Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader [...]"

‘Hamas operative’ based in London behind Greta Thunberg’s Gaza flotilla

Zaher Birawi is ‘founding member’ group that organised aid boat boarded and seized by Israeli forces on Sunday

The Telegraph

Cyborg Medusa (Non-CW)2d ago

@antiaall3s Thiago Ávila about his shining hero Hassan Nasrallah https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGYug3_tqVV/ "Nasrallah [...] inspires the entire world"
Yasemin Acar - dancing when she sees Israel getting bombarded by Iran
https://x.com/alx_froehlich/status/1841174440950055025/video/1
and simping for Hamas
https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/israel-hasserin-muss-vor-gericht

MEP Rima Hassan filming the sudanese refugees being taken away by Frontex
https://x.com/RimaHas/status/1930639013217513750
https://youtube.com/shorts/TJu2ZI--rAQ?feature=shared
"according to international law Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement"

Sonar Media Center on Instagram‎: "تياجو افيلا - ناشط برازيلي: أنا ممتن لوجودي هنا في هذه اللحظة التاريخية.. السيد حســ.ـن نصرالله هو شهيد ومثال حيّ من التضحية، وهذه اللحظة يجب ألا تكون مجرد حدث عابر، بل رسالة قوية للناس في كل أنحاء العالم ‏"‎

3,037 likes, 80 comments - sonarmediacenter on February 22, 2025‎: "تياجو افيلا - ناشط برازيلي: أنا ممتن لوجودي هنا في هذه اللحظة التاريخية.. السيد حســ.ـن نصرالله هو شهيد ومثال حيّ من التضحية، وهذه اللحظة يجب ألا تكون مجرد حدث عابر، بل رسالة قوية للناس في كل أنحاء العالم ‏". ‎

Instagram

Anti. 🐘2d ago

How is it depravity to qualify that i want sources that are not israeli propaganda in a war situation influenced by propagandistic efforts on all sides?

I think this says more about you than you seem to realize.

But thanks for those links, i will check them out.

Anti. 🐘2d ago

Link 1: "In 2013, Mr Birawi was named by Israel as a Hamas operative in Europe, and is the head of the Europal Forum, which Israel designated as a terrorist organisation in 2021."

Anti. 🐘2d ago

Of the next three links i find the ones about Yasemin Acar the most problematic. But a critique of zionism and Israel is not per se antisemitic. Would need more context.

The Frontex incident is unfortunate, but i guess they had to choose their battles in that instance. Imagine what would have happened had they not collaborated with Frontex.

Cyborg Medusa (Non-CW)2d ago

@antiaall3s if you had any serious interest or concern for Gaza, you wouldn't talk out of your ass like that, defaming my critique as "wild claims". Misrepresenting what I quoted as "critique of Zionism and Israel" when it's in fact about celebrating islamists, legitimizing Hamas and putting a PR stunt above actual human lives. When it's clear that Frontex is complicit in abuse of African migrants together with the Libyan "coastguard", handing them over is just an "unfortunate incident".

Cyborg Medusa (Non-CW)2d ago

@antiaall3s this is the depravity I'm talking about. You find none of this concerning and you need other people pointing it out to you. Do your damn research if you need more context, instead of being complicit in this whole PR stunt.
And we're not even talking about the jew-hate in all of this, which is the fundamental bond bringing all of these activist influencers together. We're done