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Jennifer OuelletteWhy incels take the “Blackpill”—and why we should care. A growing number of incels are NEET (Not in Education, Employment, or Training). That should concern us all. https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/05/why-incels-take-the-blackpill-and-why-we-should-care/
Jane@JenLucPiquant "We have to be careful to make those distinctions because the kind of intervention or prevention efforts that we might direct towards the Redpill community versus the Blackpill community might be very different." I'm so glad she brought this up, it's a really important distinction. This is a great article. We studied incel linguistics on Reddit a few years ago and found very similar trends: https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.12006
The incel lexicon: Deciphering the emergent cryptolect of a global misogynistic community
Evolving out of a gender-neutral framing of an involuntary celibate identity, the concept of `incels' has come to refer to an online community of men who bear antipathy towards themselves, women, and society-at-large for their perceived inability to find and maintain sexual relationships. By exploring incel language use on Reddit, a global online message board, we contextualize the incel community's online expressions of misogyny and real-world acts of violence perpetrated against women. After assembling around three million comments from incel-themed Reddit channels, we analyze the temporal dynamics of a data driven rank ordering of the glossary of phrases belonging to an emergent incel lexicon. Our study reveals the generation and normalization of an extensive coded misogynist vocabulary in service of the group's identity.
Acratopège@janeadams I'm glad you are here among us on the fediverse.
I wonder if there are other people working on incel studies here 🤔
Anke@JenLucPiquant ohey, another reason to teach neurotypical kids to use their supposed greater empathy and stop bullying autistic kids...
feld@JenLucPiquant are these incels the "lazy young men" that the Republicans think are consuming Medicare resources?
And if so, weird that they're attacking their own base???
And if so, weird that they're attacking their own base???
Nonya Bidniss 
@JenLucPiquant Are these not yet legally adults, are their parents paying for their needs? I don't see this idea as practical for a person who needs to provide their own shelter, food, clothing, etc.
Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE 🔶@Nonya_Bidniss @JenLucPiquant
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori
Yes, most are "supported" by parents.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori
Yes, most are "supported" by parents.
Robin Barton@JenLucPiquant Violent young men with nothing to do but consume hate. How could that end badly?
ambiguous0@JenLucPiquant seems like it's the same nihilism that's creeping through society globally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping
Magical Cat@JenLucPiquant
To me, the NEET acronym looks too much to russian word НЕТ (NET / NO). May be I am connecting too much dots here, but I would not exclude possibility that synthetic social conflicts such as "redpilled incels vs women" and "blackpilled incels vs society" - are both foreign (kremlin, I suppose) operations utilizing the issues to widen cracks across society.
To me, the NEET acronym looks too much to russian word НЕТ (NET / NO). May be I am connecting too much dots here, but I would not exclude possibility that synthetic social conflicts such as "redpilled incels vs women" and "blackpilled incels vs society" - are both foreign (kremlin, I suppose) operations utilizing the issues to widen cracks across society.
FelisCatus@koteisaev @JenLucPiquant yes it HAS TO BE Kremlin, right, because we Westerners are overall not so dumb as coming up with incel culture by ourselves, are we?
/s
Whispering Hek@FelisCatus @koteisaev @JenLucPiquant
The stuff you're imagining DOES exist, but it is way creepier and less subtle than western hakikomori.
This is just a distraction though:
Hak Foo 
@koteisaev @JenLucPiquant I thought it came from some Japanese bureaucratic classification, since the NEET/hikkikomori phenomenon was an established thing there quite a bit before the current incel concept arose.
Random Tux User@JenLucPiquant
I'll admit idk much about incels, but I can understand this thinking. The current job market is a horrid mess. Trying to get a job wears down your soul, not too mention a single one might not be enough. Furthermore, it kind can be hard to form connections irl, especially if you aren't neurotypical. I can definitely see people being nihilistic as a result, especially if they cant find a support group
This study may have been done on incels, but I doubt this is limited to them.
Amiga Unicorn@JenLucPiquant
the correct answer is "'cause they are suffering for some reason'. But, in the mind of the average Rich White Woman, (basically , a sadistic monster), empathy for men is forbidden as a betrayal.
And this is why you will never, never, never be able to fix a problem you forbid yourself to understand.
the correct answer is "'cause they are suffering for some reason'. But, in the mind of the average Rich White Woman, (basically , a sadistic monster), empathy for men is forbidden as a betrayal.
And this is why you will never, never, never be able to fix a problem you forbid yourself to understand.
Thanks @JenLucPiquant for this. I may have fallen for some black pill mentality and being autistic may not have helped. I'm still broken (40 yo, never had a girlfriend). We need more discourse like yours with more empathy and less "us vs them, the devil".
I'm sure we can do better as a society. We can help young guys not falling for that. We need a more caring approach and acknowledge one can struggle with friendship and love. I'm sure the more academic studies we have, the more you will find ways to lend a hand. Alana got an NGO started https://www.lovenotanger.org, we will build more.
I hope you will keep posting about this topic.