Oh, the knowledge that if I'm ever shot in the back after leaving an event for Jewish young professionals and repeatedly shot as I’m crawling away, the New York Times will wax philosophical about my murderer.

@TonyStark

NYT is disgusting

@Tengrain @samiamsam

The murderer booked a ticket to a Jewish museum event to kill Jews. He would have killed more but his gun jammed.

NYT and many other outlets and personalities and organizations online spending time parsing out whether or not street murder of civilians is just part of normal behavior.

Gee, I wonder where this leads.

@Tengrain @samiamsam Debating violence as a way to solve problems isn’t solving any. Neither is the violence.

If anyone finds that questionable out there, they don’t need to hang out with me.

@TonyStark @samiamsam @Tengrain

I think a lot of people have amnesia or are cool with purposefully suppressing reality.

For example, the Black Lives Matter movement started with Black and POC people marching for justice and ended with white people setting shit on fire and attacking police for fun while we kept telling those freaks to get out of our movement.

Those white people? They’re now Free Palestine.

@MJ A certain number of people on the far left have convinced themselves that if shit isn't being set on fire, if there's no spray paint involved, it's not a meaningful protest. But the fact is you can't build a mass movement if normies stop showing up for protests because they have a reputation for getting out of hand.

@TonyStark @samiamsam @Tengrain

@samiamsam @liferstate @TonyStark @Tengrain Well off whites who want an excuse to break stuff and let POC get arrested. This is what anyone who says “we need to consider stronger means” wants. Their own militia.

@MJ This is why I don't feel great about leftist gun culture. "Militias can be Good, Actually, if the people forming them have correct ideas" is how movements get infiltrated by people who care more about a particular aesthetic of Resistance than about making real change outside the subculture.

@samiamsam @TonyStark @Tengrain

@liferstate @MJ @samiamsam @TonyStark @Tengrain Liberal gun owner here. Don’t know about extremists on the left, but no one I know wants violence or is looking for violence. That said, I’m hearing from people about how to stay safe (leaving firearms aside), resist Fascism, and the very real, IMO, possibility that we devolve into resistance to RW militias and a response by insurgency. #liberalgunowners

@lawyersgunsnmoney @liferstate @MJ @samiamsam @TonyStark

I’ve told Republicans for years that liberals do indeed own guns and know how to use them! Thanks for proving the case for me!

Anyway, despite enjoying “Red Dawn” (Kid of the ‘80s here!) I don’t think a militia stands a chance against the full force of the military. I wouldn’t encourage that.

@Tengrain @liferstate @MJ @samiamsam @TonyStark The MAGA people don’t believe, but it’s true. There are millions of liberal gun owners - responsible, diverse and just quiet about it. I don’t advocate for creating militias (which are illegal). If the US military began attacking US citizens I think it would be divided between the MAGA/Fascists and those who don’t want to shoot their neighbors

@lawyersgunsnmoney @Tengrain @liferstate @MJ @TonyStark

i am a liberal gun owner

they don't think we exist

they are are incorrect

@samiamsam @lawyersgunsnmoney @Tengrain @liferstate @MJ @TonyStark There are a lot of liberal firearm owners. It's just the culture war BS on all sides makes it very difficult for many of them to be out about it. I know folks who are more comfortable discussing their gender and orientation than admitting they own a firearm.

Some of the most well trained and armed folks I know are not cis,het, white men.

@allpoints @samiamsam @Tengrain @liferstate @MJ @TonyStark Same. The biggest rise in gun ownership is with people of color and others as you said

@lawyersgunsnmoney @Tengrain @allpoints@mstdn.social @TonyStark @liferstate @samiamsam
What Tony said though is true.

Debunking the ‘Guns Make Us Safer’ Myth - Center for American Progress

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

As a woman of color, we suffer from a significant amount of gun violence against us. Just something to think about when speaking on our behalf when you are white.

Debunking the ‘Guns Make Us Safer’ Myth

Despite arguments from the gun lobby and its allies, guns used for self-defense are not common, beneficial for society, or efficient in deterring mass shootings or criminal victimization.

Center for American Progress

@MJ @lawyersgunsnmoney @Tengrain @liferstate @samiamsam Yeah. I mean they don’t automatically make you safer and for some people definitely worse off.

It’s certainly more of a privileged take to think you can walk around open carrying. A Black person in America can’t do that obviously.

I get people wanting to protect themselves but they’re rarely used that way and yet I still support the right and think the Kamala thing was goofy. Not much more to add!

@TonyStark @MJ @Tengrain @liferstate @samiamsam Nobody except the most ignorant MAGA douches open carries, even where legal in a few states. Besides the fact it’s stupid and makes you an easy priority target, the MAGAs do that to scare people. I completely agree that a Black person couldn’t. Concealed carry license is what people get to be legal outside their home or property

@lawyersgunsnmoney @MJ @Tengrain @liferstate @samiamsam Believe me I’m aware of what is what on that on licensing. Well aware. Yeah we have a MAGA douche around here who used to walk right to the line as close to this one elementary school.

He eventually got tired of police following him.

@TonyStark @MJ @Tengrain @liferstate @samiamsam Those are one type of people who are concerning. I have PB’s III%ers others plus convicted and pardoned J6 people crawling all over here