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nicky May 26, 2025

@petergleick welfare kings

Nazani May 26, 2025

@petergleick
Some artist needs to turn him into an interactive installation piece.

Erin May 27, 2025

@Nazani @petergleick It wouldn't be stealing though, right? /s

John Burns May 26, 2025

My bank account needs to learn how to hold millions of dollars. I should be given access to his millions to enable my bank account to learn.

And just like the "A.I.", I don't have to return those millions.

Seems fair.
🤔

Kerr Avonsen (she/her)May 26, 2025

@petergleick
Indeed. An industry which depends on theft isn't an industry, it's a crime.

Passwordsarehard4 May 26, 2025

@kerravonsen @petergleick I believe an organization that relies on crime would be a criminal organization, like the kind RICO is supposed to be used against.

MyOpinion May 26, 2025

@petergleick Then kill it! It is an industry based on theft.

.vad//hakara🧭May 26, 2025

majo hashi May 26, 2025

If you want to know someone's opinion, pay their salary.
And if you don't want to know, ask AI.

@majohashi I want to compare this to gaslighting, but I don't have the spoons. Something like "if you ask someone's opinion and only care when they agree with yours, then you don't want their opinion, only to be seen as wanting their opinion." @petergleick

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191826719.001.0001/q-oro-ed4-00010168

majo hashi May 27, 2025

@MxVerda @petergleick

Upton Sinclair:

Upton Sinclair

"Upton Sinclair" published on by Oxford University Press.

Oxford Reference

@majohashi ye! @petergleick

Baron Vonskinnback May 26, 2025

@petergleick in the same way that paying workers a living wage would destroy businesses. If there is no business without theft, then there is no business...

HeatherTX May 26, 2025

@petergleick Let it burn. 🤷‍♀️

Bawons Child May 26, 2025

@HeatherTX @petergleick im not sure where but there exists an updated picture of that same girl much older standing in front of a burning house.

🐈‍⬛David Sommerseth May 26, 2025

@petergleick I bet the Napster and Pirate Bay folks would like to say a few words about that ....

su_liam May 27, 2025

@dazo @petergleick I’m basically hopping public wifi sites with my μtorrent downloading stuff. It ain’t theft if you don’t deny it to them. Right?!!

Drain May 26, 2025

@petergleick good.

John Colagioia May 26, 2025

@petergleick Can we all play this card? There are so many problems in the world that we could probably solve if people are going to take "wah, this will kill my industry (that nobody wants)" seriously...

Григорий Клюшников May 26, 2025

basically kill the AI industry

Is there anything I can do to help?

Clockwork ☃️✒️May 26, 2025

So we do have a recipe for killing the industry overnight.

Don Whiteside May 26, 2025

@petergleick @Gargron it’s been the excuse for the food service industry for decades

Shephallmassive May 26, 2025

@petergleick Slightly bizarre statement as surely this would completely negate the patent industry. Producers of technical diagrams and documents used to make products generally need consent to use them - not clear why musicians and artists should not expect the same consideration.

Shephallmassive May 28, 2025

@petergleick Actually on this topic- it is enormously time consuming to get a patent accepted. For some best inventions its just kept secret rather than risk exposing the design. How many AI algorithms will be allowed to trawl patent libraries -is this why powers are not keen to protect personal digital artistic/cultural property? as its not possible to respect the patent laws either.? Will there be tools able to answer some of this digital data ownership/hosting challenge?

Rynn 🌙 Professional Cyberwitch 🌙May 26, 2025

ArchaeoIain May 26, 2025

@petergleick let me just say that I would like to be asked permission (and paid) and if it kills AI, then that is a win for common sense.

Andrew Gent 🇺🇦 🇬🇱May 26, 2025

"Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would “basically kill the AI industry in this country overnight.”

Yes. Please do.

Woozle Hypertwin May 26, 2025

@petergleick "Captain Blackbeard (CEO, Queen Anne's Revenge LLC) says paying for booty from plundered vessels would 'basically kill the pirating sector in this country overnight'."

Jeremy Daniele May 26, 2025

@petergleick asking for use permission versus requiring to show credit/source is a fine line. When something is already accessible and not behind a pay wall, there's a reasonable expectation that it will be shown outside of the owners control, as long as they get credit. Asking for permission can only be required when a modification is desired or its very use will generate the rebroadcaster some kind of revenue. When used in an educational manner, you're going to find it extremely hard to have others agree to force permissions.

Joolio May 27, 2025

@jdaniele @petergleick Education is a good point since you can argue that training an AI is like teaching a student. The problem is when the AI is asked to create. Then again, this happens with humans.

Jeremy Daniele Jul 4, 2025

@Joolio12 @petergleick I don't believe I was suggesting we're training AI in that sense. Also, AI in its current form isn't creating anything. It's simply compiling information.

To create, implies it is thinking about the process as it develops while also seeing/feeling it through.

To compile, implies it is comparing a string of words, matching them to existing information until it finds a match, if it doesn't find a match it breaks down the string into parts that can be compared to larger sets of information until it finds a match. Once a set of matches is found, it organizes the information into human language then autocorrects the response to simulate a human sentence. Thus artificially simulating intellect.

@jdaniele @petergleick how is AI reformatting *not* 'a modification' or 'its very use will generate the rebroadcaster some kind of revenue'?

Jeremy Daniele Jun 3, 2025

@MxVerda @petergleick apologies but can you rephrase that? I don't understand exactly what you're asking.

Iron Mark May 26, 2025

@petergleick but somehow its okay for AI to kill all these other industries while stealing the product of people's creativity and labor? 😡

EndemicEarthling May 27, 2025

@petergleick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWT-o-H4srg

Every time I hear #NickClegg, this song pops into my head.

Captain SKA - What's The Point Of Nick Clegg?

YouTube

betonglen May 27, 2025

#HumanGenerated #GenHuman

stop stealing other people's work
stop using shit that is made from stolen work

Daedalean May 27, 2025

@petergleick yes, and that would be good.

H4Heights 🇪🇺🇵🇸🇺🇦🇨🇦May 27, 2025

@petergleick Interesting how, despite the widespread and ruthless plagiarism, AI continues to produce crap. It is already feeding off its own crap, as dogs return to their vomit.

@petergleick if something depends on being continuously fed huge amounts of data, it isn't intelligent.

Dawn Tåke 🌙

May 27, 2025

@petergleick
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Yza May 27, 2025

@petergleick they care more about toxic industries being 'killed' more than actual humans being actuallly killed

Jeremy May 27, 2025

@petergleick threatening us with a good time, I see

ꜱᴛᴇᴇʟ ʀᴀᴛ ɢᴀᴍᴇʀ May 27, 2025

I want to be able to go to Nick Cleggs home, grab some paintings off the wall, and tell him I need them to make my business successful

that is what the AI industry is doing

@thesteelrat @petergleick but also every single message or media:
he's ever shared in that house or anywhere else,
or that anyone else has ever shared on his behalf,
or private messages or media that were then leaked or stolen, etc.

Captain Jack Sparrow May 27, 2025

Forgery is illegal when normal people do it...

If this argument is made into precedent, it can be used elsewhere.

"If farmers can't get undocumented labor to harvest crops, then we will need other sources of unpaid & underpaid labor."

Knut Branson May 27, 2025

@Npars01 @petergleick commie big gov't and their regulations ruining my small business where I threaten people with a bat until they pay me.

mastodonphan HAS MOVED May 27, 2025

@Npars01 @petergleick Close enough. Welcome back, slavery.

@mast0d0nphan @petergleick

Trump's private prison donors, Core Civic & Geo Corp are getting lots of ICE detention center contracts.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/executives-private-prison-firm-corecivic-expect-significant-growth/story?id=118758271

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/private-prison-mass-deportation-trump-billions-geogroup-corecivic-ice/

They hope to lease out detainees as convict labor to Walmart and Amazon.

Penal labor already produces $11 billion dollars of goods & services in the USA.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/private-prisons-count-on-big-beautiful-bill-for-immigration-payday-b3912262

Labor camps morphed into death camps under the Nazis.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/the-other-big-election-winners-private-prisons/

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/nazi-billionaires-businesses-denazification-de-jong-interview

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/popular-pharmaceutical-company-bayer-bought-concentration-camp-victims-wwii.html

Executives at private prison firm CoreCivic expect 'significant growth' due to Trump's policies

Trump's new immigration policies "directly impact our business," the CEO said.

ABC News

@Npars01 @mast0d0nphan @petergleick

Maddad ☑️May 29, 2025

It's called #slavery
It's not complicated, that's what the rich do.😡

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhlXUBNJPE

Kevin Karhan

May 27, 2025

@Npars01 @petergleick like #ForcedLabour from the #US #PrisonIndustry!

#USpol #USA #ForProfitPrisons #IncarcerationBusiness

Why The US Prison System Is The Worst In The Developed World

The US incarcerates more people - both per capita and by sheer numbers - than any other nation on earth. Our prisons are inhumane hellholes, and private pris...

YouTube

sleepfreeparent May 27, 2025

@Npars01 @petergleick what a coincidence, that the administration is talking about a network of labor and reparenting camps, right as they're also making life even worse for undocumented workers...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/rfk-jr-says-he-ll-send-people-taking-adderall-to-labor-camps/ar-BB1qDeks

MSN

@sleepfreeparent @petergleick

Billionaires are deeply opposed to a society where labor is fairly compensated

The six dynasties behind Project 2025 have long histories of disguising their anti-union agendas as "anti-communism".
https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/08/29/project-2025-provides-a-gop-blueprint-for-destroying-americas-labor-unions/

https://capitalandmain.com/ten-ways-project-2025-could-undermine-workers-rights

https://labornotes.org/blogs/2024/07/project-2025-eliminate-unions

Bradley, Koch, Coors, Scaife/Mellon, Seid & Uihlein have joined forces with Silicon Valley tycoons to suppress wages.

Bezos, Musk, Ellison, Sacks, & Thiel hate the concept of a living wage.

Project 2025 Provides a GOP Blueprint for Destroying America’s Labor Unions

The approach of Labor Day provides an appropriate time to reflect upon how Donald Trump and his MAGA Republicans, if restored to power, will deal with the

CounterPunch.org