@calmeilles
Of course I agree.
I wonder how effective this is.
@ohmu @calmeilles Same. Certainly medical professionals should not shy away from sound medical advice and shouldn’t mince words about the dangers of not vaccinating. But shaming and condescension rarely works. With all the disinfo and now public health institutions abetting it, the challenges are daunting.

@ohmu @calmeilles

it's more effective than saying nothing

+ i suspect there's a sad story that caused this doctor to speak out so strongly

children are dying to serve the ego of grown adults, & the cowardly granting of vaccine "exemptions" to avoid confrontation with these sociopathic adults is helping to bring back killer diseases

2 babies have died of whooping cough recently in my state-- f'n whooping cough!

so let the doctor preach!!!

@calmeilles I have a sticker in my vehicle window that says "Vaccines Cause Adults"

I've had my life threatened multiple times over it

It stays.

#publichealth #science #DontBendToTheirBullshit

You assume antivaxxers feel remorse and take responsibility for their actions.

@calmeilles

@svavar @calmeilles And that they can read, and have organised thought. Or even thought.
@calmeilles as someone who hand was forced into getting all my vaccinations again. God I love this post.

@calmeilles yeah...

We need more of such confrontations against antivaxxers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urZLTobAfJc

House Vs. Anti-Vaxxer | House M.D..

YouTube
@calmeilles if only these people were able to read or comprehending text.

@vascorsd @calmeilles

...or had basic health literacy... 😐

@calmeilles this has absolutely no impact on them, because they'll ignore it, take pictures and show it to their disease-ridden Facebook mommy groups to "laugh at the doctor's desperation."
@calmeilles Stealing this and putting it up in my local co-op.
@calmeilles They never seems to say "Sorry", as evidenced by the parents whose kids recently died from measles in Texas.
@zalasur @calmeilles Yeah, they aren't sorry. They refuse to see it as related, but rather "God's will."
@calmeilles and that notice is nowhere near harsh enough
@calmeilles in 13th century Italy they sent people to isolation camps on a nearby hill for 40 days (quarantine) to see if they would recover (or die) before they were let into or back into the city. At that time, that was the only remedy - some of the anti science, anti vaccine people replying seem to be wanting that for themselves. Sadly none of these people actually even bother to find out what is a vaccine.
@calmeilles And yet those parents that have lost children to measles still won't vaccinate.

@calmeilles They don't give a fuck. They lack a conscience and they lack basic humanity.

They'll just say God is working in mysterious ways or some other thought-terminating nonsense.

@calmeilles
Don't even say sorry but tell those kids that you own them and that they are yours.

The kids are forced to like what they end up with because they had no option with ignorant parents.

Circumcision is a great example how such parents treat their kids exactly like that and don't even apologise at all, in fact most react like described like the text on the top explained.

How the Koch Network Is Spreading COVID Misinformation

As the Omicron variant surges, an institute funded by the Koch network may be undermining government attempts to stop the pandemic.

2/

... promote lies about deadly contagious disease, aside from Tim Mellon, the eugenicist.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-john-oliver-dr-phil-last-week-tonight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/dr-phil-and-dr-oz-arent-coronavirus-experts-so-why-are-they-talking-about-it-on-tv-news/2020/04/17/09c2c410-80bb-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rfk-jr-debate-kennedy-dr-phil-conspiracy-b2570364.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/04/17/dr-phil-compares-coronavirus-deaths-car-accidents/5151534002/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/17/lets-explore-exactly-why-dr-phils-coronavirus-arguments-are-so-obtuse/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr-phils-argument-for-reopening-the-economy-we-dont-shut-down-the-country-for-car-accidents-and-swimming-pool-deaths-2020-04-17

https://www.thewrap.com/dr-phil-covid-shutdowns-sirius-xm-debunked/

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/10/robert-kennedy-jr-aided-by-gop-and-trump-pac-donors-chernick/

https://robertreich.substack.com/p/why-timothy-mellon-is-the-poster/

Over 1.7 million Americans died of covid, thanks to corrupt fossil fuel shills like Dan Patrick.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/dan-patrick-coronavirus-grandparents

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/impeach-governor-abbott-lieutenant-governor-dan-patrick-and-attorney-general-ken-paxton

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/03/24/dan-patrick-economy-coronavirus-deaths-notdying4wallstreet/

John Oliver roasts Dr. Phil for his false coronavirus claims

On "Last Week Tonight," John Oliver set the record straight on Dr. Phil's unsubstantiated comparison between deaths from swimming pools and the coronavirus.

Los Angeles Times
@calmeilles Vaccines mean never having to say you're sorry? Vaccinating your children is LOVE.

@Tooden @calmeilles Well, it can mean saying sorry if there's a bad reaction to said vaccine, but the risk of that is sooo damn small (greater risk of being hit by a bus crossing a road) vs the risks of the diseases these things are meant to prevent…

I'd rather risk apologising for a bad vaccine reaction, then apologising for the flow-on effects of a disease that could have been prevented easily.

@stuartl One of my nephews had a bad reaction to one childhood immunisation booster. It was a big blotchy rash, which faded after 36 hours. But none of my kids, or the other nieces and nephews, or the grandkids, had problems. @calmeilles

@Tooden @calmeilles Sounds nasty, but also very temporary.

At least it wasn't anything more severe, and you haven't since made any rash decisions.

@stuartl @Tooden @calmeilles That, and epi-pens and other medications exist. Vaccines are given in clinical settings where the workers are trained to deal with bad reactions if they do ever happen, which as you pointed out, is exceedingly rare. There's very little excuse for most people to not get vaccinated.

@JustRosy @Tooden @calmeilles Yeah, vaccines are not DIY for very good reason.

I'd rather roll *that* dice though, than some of the diseases that are back in circulation.

I know I have to schedule a COVID-19 shot in the coming weeks (it's been more than 12 months, although the doctor thinks I'm fine on that front regardless). Just need to find a time where I can deal with a few days of reaction.

(The Moderna shot hasn't given me any side-effects… but I have a feeling they've dropped that in favour of the Pfizer shot… so who knows?)

@calmeilles Shortly after the Disneyland Measles outbreak, various pediatrician offices posted a sign at the entrance to their waiting rooms.

UNVACCINATED PATIENTS NOT WELCOME

The explanation underneath explained that the office has restricted services to unvaccinated patients both adult and children due to liability concerns.

"Holistic practitioniers" sprang up in Southern California and parts of Northern California who would still see unvaccinated patients. Some of those practitioners ended up loosing their medical licenses for signing COVID Vaccination cards without vaccinating people.

The California legislature eliminated the Personal Belief vaccine exemption for all school-aged children. The only kids nowadays who are exempt are those with compromised immune systems or those who home school.

@calmeilles

This is from the site mentioned, nrvs.info:

@PeterLG @calmeilles It’s heartbreaking to read. Here’s the last good snapshot of their active website: https://web.archive.org/web/20240226001127/https://nrvs.info/
Northern Rivers Vaccination Supporters | Love . Protect . Vaccinate

@calmeilles The website, for anyone interested: http://nrvs.info/
@calmeilles Are the kinds of people who fall for these schemes even literate enough to read an entire page?
@calmeilles As someone else mentioned, folls should also read the website mentioned at the bottom of that poster. 💔
https://nrvs.info/

@calmeilles

A man called Mr Franklin once wrote that he bitterly regretted not inoculating his son for smallpox.” He was a fine lad and only four years old. He died in the usual way.”

By the way, this was 1736 and the man’s first name was Benjamin.

#innoculation #cowpox #BenjaminFranklin #vaccination

@calmeilles

By the way, inoculation then was a crude affair; it comprised placing a small amount of cow pox pus into a small open wound.

Crude, but it worked. 🤮😊

@calmeilles I seriously doubt most of them care, tbh. I've seen a few parents double down and claim it's God's will or w/e.

But it's definitely better than not saying anything at all.

@calmeilles That poster comes from the Northern Rivers Vaccination Supporters (NRVS) from up the North Coast of NSW around Lismore, based in an area infested with antivaxers and assorted conspiracy nuts. The group is presently on hiatus due to harassment. https://nrvs.info/
@calmeilles But you had to show loyalty to your social group, which promised you were better than everyone else and provided simple guidelines in telling apart who was in and who was out. Giving that away that feeling of superiority scared you more.
@calmeilles This is why it's should be the parent's decision to do so. It should be the kid's decision. Then if they have something it's only themselves to blame.

@blenderdumbass @calmeilles

In the UK the kids get their vaccines at a very young age, so young they can't talk let alone make decisions.

By the time they can do both it would often have been too late.

@lyndamerry484 @calmeilles Okay then the philosophical situation here is way worse than I thought. There is like extreme-paternalism involved, which gives points to the anti-vax crowd.This is a very complex issue then. Like you know baby consents to food because baby eats the food. And when there is enough food baby will show that the food is no longer interesting to the baby. But here we justifying "baby-rape", for a "good reason". Which becomes a very hard situation to be ever "right" in.
@lyndamerry484 @calmeilles Would the best option be something like, do that, then say sorry when the kid is at the age when it's possible to talk to the kid.

@blenderdumbass @lyndamerry484

Yeah. What about the kids you can't talk to because they're dead?

@calmeilles @lyndamerry484 What I'm saying is, make the vaccine and then say sorry to the kid. Because the kid might have not wanted the vaccine. The "sorry" part is a ritual to remind yourself not to be become a paternalistic tyrant.

You know how tyranny is always "for the good" of somebody.

@calmeilles

Original post from NRVS (thanks @drahardja):

https://web.archive.org/web/20240226005705/https://nrvs.info/do-you-say-sorry/

And the poster itself for future sharing, now that a moron is the Secretary of Health in the USA.

#USA #SecretaryOfHealth #RFKJr #RKFJrMoron #Vaccination #VaccinationSavesLives

EDIT: Web link corrected.

@PeterLG @calmeilles @drahardja Explains the typo in the 4th paragraph.
@calmeilles thoughts and prayers?
@calmeilles might be counterproductive, especially because some of the items seem overstated

@calmeilles

Here in the UK we rarely see these disease's' anymore and so people think that they have been irradicated, they have not.

@calmeilles i think for many people they feel more responsible for something they do then for something they don't. For an action they feel guilty if it goes wrong, for inaction they blame 'fate' or 'god'. But not doing something is also a choice one is responsible for.
"What if my child becomes autistic, then i feel guilty", but not "what if it dies from a horrible disease"