Jan Lehnardt May 25, 2025

I’m officially done with takes on AI beginning “Ethical concerns aside…”.

No! Stop right there.

Ethical concerns front and center. First thing. Let’s get this out of the way and then see if thre is anything left worth talking about.

Ethics is the formalisation of how we are treating one another as human beings and how we relate to the world around us.

It is *impossible* to put ethics aside.

What you mean is “I don’t want to apologise for my greed and selfishness.”

Say that first.

Show threadBrian Dear

@janl

THIS is why I say I don’t hate #AI per se, but I DO hate AI *companies* and investors, because *their* ethics are *nonexistent*.

And that imho should disqualify them from working on and selling AI systems to the world. I want no part of their goods or services because those people cannot be trusted.

May 25, 2025 at 1:03pmWeb
Show threadEpic_NullMay 27, 2025
Most AI companies have been showing these colors long before AI. For example: Microsoft.



Which is to say if we want morals to matter, we need to be consistent.



If this doesn't sound like a counter argument, that's because it isn't.
Show threadamarioguyMar 8

@brianstorms @janl i think the practical reality is that AI as tooling and the AI companies leading the AI arms race are so completely intertwined at this point (and also with fascists no less), that the whole AI well (even stuff like classifiers and such, the old school stuff from a decade or so ago aren’t really trustworthy given that they’ve certainly also benefitted from the LLM boom) has been poisoned.

People who legitimately care about ethics i suspect are probably going to be better off brushing up on prob-stats and drawing conclusions and connecting dots the old fashioned way, from when AI didn’t function as a serious tool.