@jackwilliambell @carnage4life my point, which is not that important, is the words used to construct the ethics are not absolute. Examples: alive, cause, intent, maximum good, etc. many systems of ethics seek maximums of things which are inherently multidimensional and incommensurable. Where does an ethics dedicated to not lying draw the line between omission and commission? Where ever it is there will be some infinitesimal cases where the words describing the line don’t match up to reality.