Aaron 🖖

Reposting with alt.

Because I’m quite dim, I didn’t realise exactly what they had done and how extremely clever these women had been. #TransLivesMattter 👏👏👏

The government (and everyone else, frankly) need to stay out of trans people’s underwear. 🏳️‍⚧️

*edit to add the link to the Pink News article: https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/17/scottish-parliament-holyrood-trans-protest-supreme-court/

*edit 2 to add a link to an interview with Sugar, who organised and took part in the protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbA0q0eqYnM (thanks to @anni for sharing this)

Topless trans protest outside Holyrood a ‘public act of grief, resistance and solidarity’

Trans women staged a topless protest outside of the Scottish parliament to condemn the UK Supreme Court's ruling on the definition of 'sex'.

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May 22, 2025 at 7:34amWeb
Show threadBen HammondMay 22, 2025

@a

Hah genius.

Last Sunday was roastin' and I had to explain to my 8 year old daughter that little boys get to take their taps aff but little girls do not

That was an interesting conversation

Show threadAaron 🖖May 22, 2025
@benh Omg! Kind of crazy isn’t it? Well done for having the courage. I might have deferred to my wife because I’m a big coward. 🫣😂
Show threadMadies ScythianMay 22, 2025
@a #cleverGirls
Show threadTorf und SchneeMay 22, 2025

@a

and how it has evolved?

(I actually think that all reasonable countries must abolish (1) putting the sex of the person in her IDs and (2) any punishments for so called "indecent exposure", but anyway).

Show threadSune AukenMay 22, 2025
@a Damn, this is bright.
Show threadStoneface VimesMay 22, 2025
@a oh yes. Brilliant. I hadn't caught on either. Pure genius.
Show threadEstarriol, Terrorist DragonMay 22, 2025
@a stay out of everyones underwear and reproductive choices.
Show threadWillow "Wolveric" CatkinMay 22, 2025
@a Didn't that happen a while ago...?  Or I might be thinking of an older story of a woman who used the same tactic...
Show threadAlex von KitchenMay 22, 2025
@WolvericCatkin @a there was a woman in the US like 10 years ago who was arrested for being topless after being given a "male" driver's license
Show threadAndreas KMay 22, 2025
@a Seems, like the mainstream media are keeping mum on this? The most mainstream site I could find that mentioned it was Yahoo UK?
Show threadThe Animal and the MachineMay 22, 2025
@a @ibenb
👏🏻🤣
Genius move ladies!
Show thread[email protected]May 22, 2025
@a 😆
Show threadThe Animal and the MachineMay 22, 2025

@a @ibenb
Sadly we are more likely to achieve the sexiest stigma of tits being removed as indecent exposure over recognition of identity.

If so, the ladies have achieved something for feminism and as a straight male I appreciate this.

Why can’t women go topless?
Why do people care what your gender is?

It’s all Victorian bullshit.

[Clarity edit. Either topless men is also indecent exposure or no nipples are]

Show threadIben BjørnssonMay 22, 2025
@taatm @a yeah well first thing’s first. Trans rights are more important. In Denmark women can go topless, but unless we’re at the beach, we don’t. As long as breasts are sexualised it’s just extremely uncomfortable.
Show threadThe Animal and the MachineMay 22, 2025

@ibenb @a
💯% I entirely agree.
• Trans rights are more important here.
• The cop-out for the right wing is to decriminalise topless women, making an excuse to not arrest these women.
• Breasts are sexualised but so are men’s pecks. My actual issue here is that if a women gets hot and just wants to take her top off, she gets arrested. The woman has no choice and it should be hers.
• I’ve felt disgust at seeing certain men strip off when hot at football matches. I won’t yuk your yum but if there is an indecent exposure thing here that is where I felt it. He won’t be arrested. This feeling would also apply to certain women who would be arrested.
• I prescribe no moral, just demand fairness. Either it applies to all or none.
• I am a straight male. This is just for full disclosure. I can’t speak to any other experience.
• Generally speaking, I like boobs, this comment is just to emphasise how totally stupid the idea is to call it indecent exposure.

Again however, the main issue here is that if a woman tells you she’s a women then she is a women. It’s that simple.

Show threadDazMay 22, 2025
@a thanks for reposting, I hadn't fully appreciated how genius that was
Show threadpettterMay 22, 2025

@a It's been tried before, and the trans woman in question was arrested, sentenced for indecent exposure, and sent to men's prison to be set up for rape by the other prisoners.

Fascists don't actually care about consistency if they can just be cruel and inconsistent instead.

It can still be useful for radicalizing some libs, but there are very very real risks involved.

Show threadhaddenmartMay 22, 2025
@a It has always amazed me that some people have all this time and energy to worry about how others live their lives. I can barely manage my own. 
Show threadAaron 🖖May 22, 2025
@haddenmart Ikr. Don’t know why they can’t mind their own business.
Show threadAdvanced Persistent TeapotMay 22, 2025
@a except if invited by the occupant
Show threadAlanna 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️May 22, 2025
@a The fact that women in general are punished with "indecent exposure" for going topless is part of the whole problem. If men are allowed to be topless in appropriate situations, so should women. If lads can't control their lad, that's not a woman's fault, whether she is cis or trans!
Show threadDr. SobekMay 22, 2025
@a And so, were they arrested, or was that protest deemed legal ?
Show threadHighlandLawyerMay 22, 2025
@a
I can think of several grounds in Scots law that they could be arrested & prosecuted, but I'm reluctant to specify them because I won't help transphobes. It would however highlight the ridiculousness of the current spin put on the recent UK Supreme Court decision if COPFS did.
Kudos to the ladies for their bravery in any event.
Show threadDysguFi 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿May 22, 2025
@a would not reach the threshold for indecent exposure which requires display of genitals in a sexual or threatening context. Law in Scotland is different in many aspects but pretty similar to the rest of uk for indecency.
Show threadChris TurnbowMay 22, 2025

@a

A brilliant reducto ad absurdum, maybe the best I've ever heard of. Bravo!

Show threadEpistatacadamMay 22, 2025
@a I don't know what the law is in Scotland but for it to be indecent exposure I thought you had to deliberately expose an erect male member. Hence streakers tended to be arrested for behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace. If showing swollen mammary glands is likely to upset the public there's many a builder who is at risk every hot day!
The law on this is an ass; the UK supreme court virtually said as much in my opinion, since the law applied to birth sex, & trans gender is protected.
Show threadAbstract_BitMay 22, 2025
@a 😄
Show threadGiliellMay 22, 2025
@a Let's up that game: Have a bunch of cis women join them and let the "we can always tell" crowd figure out who is who.
Show threadGutterPoetryMay 22, 2025

@a

It would be even better to have a group of trans-women and cis-women, all topless, milling around together, and then let the fash try to sort out which people to arrest 🤭 #ChaoticGood

Show threadJernej Simončič �May 22, 2025
@GutterPoetry @a No need for that apparently: https://booping.synth.download/notes/a82zicw9lejb040h
the sentinian (@xenia)

@[email protected] this gets funnier cause some asshat was tryna cisvestigate one of the girls as she passes so well he cant fathom shes trans https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/21/graham-linehan-cisvestigates-topless-trans-protestor-is-there-an-actual-woman-in-here/ RE: Reposting with alt. Because I’m quite dim, I didn’t realise exactly what they had done and how extremely clever these women had been. #TransLivesMattter 👏👏👏 The government (and everyone else, frankly) need to stay out of trans people’s underwear. 🏳️‍⚧️ *edit to add the link to the Pink News article: https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/17/scottish-parliament-holyrood-trans-protest-supreme-court/ *edit 2 to add a link to an interview with Sugar, who organised and took part in the protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbA0q0eqYnM (thanks to @[email protected] for sharing this) (📎1)

beepkey!
Show threadKrist van BesienMay 22, 2025
@a I don't get it. Why does the law treat male and female toplessness differently? I though most civilized places had moved beyond that.
Show threadAmateur HumanMay 22, 2025

@a this is of course the point at which we get into the nuance of criminal law, who deals with it and the ongoing implications...

Can the CPS bring charges against them at magistrate's, which is a lower court and whose decisions do not create precedent? Probably.

Would we support anyone so charged to take the case to higher courts and create a meaningful decision? @goodlawproject

Would CPS drop such a case to avoid consequential implications?

Show threadArtemisMay 22, 2025

@a
God...he posted that he believes one of them isn't trans, but didn't say which one? He must have just wanted to start other people arguing over these women's bodies and critiquing them.

Gross.

Again, let me say, as a cis-ish woman, this is so gross. Inviting the critique and evaluation of women's bodies to find fault with them and determine their worthiness as women is horribly regressive.

Show threadArtemisMay 22, 2025

@a
I'd say "no woman wants this", but it's not true, because there are women out there demanding we put women's bodies through this type of scrutiny before they are allowed to participate in society.

Want to participate in sports? Let someone look at your genitalia first. Want to go to a public restroom? Have your birth certificate and ID on hand to prove you have the right to pee.

They want to take us back to an age where women couldn't do anything without permission. All for transphobia.

Show threadIris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)May 22, 2025
@artemis @a there's also the theory that the transphobia is the excuse for the subjugation, policing and dehumanization of women. I find that a lot more believable than this many people genuinely caring this much about trans people. It also explains them continuing to ignore the existence of trans men.
Show threadPedestrianError  May 22, 2025
@artemis @a I keep rooting for someone who gets gender policed for a superficial choice like having a short haircut or leaving the naturally occurring hair on their legs while on their period to drop trou, pull out a bloody tampon, and dangle it in their assailant's face.
Show threadEvelyn fra denne andre øyaMay 22, 2025
@a the person posting this is dim, that's not how this works.
Show threadFazal MajidMay 22, 2025
@a to be fair it is the UK.gov that is pandering to transphobia, not the Scottish one.
Show threadOregon Wine WomanMay 22, 2025
@a
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😄
Show threadfedithomMay 22, 2025
@a beautiful, indeed
Show threadLauralee Dukeshire HAS MOVEDMay 26, 2025
@a @anni A second one at Downing Street. https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/26/trans-protest-downing-street-london-supreme-court/
Topless trans folks protest outside Downing Street in ‘deeply symbolic act’

Trans folks went topless outside Downing Street during a protest calling out the oppression of the community across the UK.

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Show threadThe Wolf of South EndJun 27, 2025
@a @anni The thing is, it doesn’t matter how you identify…politically, sexually, whatever …it’s nothing to do with anyone what’s in your undercrackers, but you, and who you choose to discuss that with.