I very much get a "we just discovered radium and want to put it in everything" vibe from this whole generative AI bubble.

(Including the thing where companies used to slap the word "radium" on existing products even though they thankfully did not actually have any radioactive materials. Like "radium butter".)

@varx I think the rich people that run the world are utterly fascinated by AI because it lets them access skills for the first time ever without needing to hire people. So more of this everywhere all the time just seems like bliss to them.
Microsoft and Google may have to surrender people's data to Saudi Arabia after signing huge deals there

Saudi Arabia is seeking to be an innovation hub, but activists are warning that tech firms could be complicit in the repression of dissidents.

Business Insider

@Npars01 @cuchaz @varx And as you've pointed out before (Nicole), the Saudis and Kochs want the continued sink for ever more electricity, to sustain demand for fossil fuels while transportation and other major sectors move the now and henceforth more-economical renewable electricity.

Along with the surveillance and the market manipulation, the waste is the point.

@Npars01 @cuchaz @varx

"May have to"? Nonono, if the price is right, they simply want to.

@cuchaz @varx
They even don't think that if they don't pay people to produce things, they don't get consumers to buy them ?

@ciredutempsEsme @cuchaz @varx

They don't care if anything works as long as they can own it.

@petealexharris @cuchaz @varx
They do but they'll remain sure that they've been conned by workers (because hey, that's what they're doing to workers)
@cuchaz @varx I think it is not that. Rather, it is about the *political* power to set the narrative. The same reason that rich people also buy media outlets for. For an LLM, reality is what the training corpus says it is, and the owner of the model controls that. And the big tech monopolies have a captive audience...
@martinvermeer @varx Oh yeah. I definitely think that's another reason rich people love AI. They can finally get a "search engine" to lie the way they want.
@martinvermeer @cuchaz @varx On the corporate level it's about *agency*: the people at the top being able to set an absolute agenda that won't get watered down or filtered by intermediaries. Call centers used to be staffed by humans who were drilled to robotically follow a script with language carefully crafted by the lawyers. Now call centers are actual robots.
@cuchaz @varx absolutely. I worked at this place and this big fancy overpaid rich dude came in and just thought they could automate everything this team of people I was leading was doing. I just told him, you can't automate everything, all this stuff. He insisted there was a way. Until he tried and tried and could never get one to work. Hmmm
@varx I'd try the radium butter
@Velveteen Radium brand butter, straight from Nucla, Colorado! (Although the name is just an amusing coincidence, despite being derived from "nucleus".)
@varx i keep getting notifications for this and last night I had taken a med immediately before going to sleep and saw a notif about this post and then had a dream that I had said "radlum" butter and it had thousands of boosts and people wanted to send me "radlum" butter to eat

@varx I hope we will eventually come to the same insight eventually.

It is BS that nobody needs and does more harm than good. It needs to go.

Eventually....

@varx indeed everything that uses any algorithm is now labeled AI, no matter if there is any machine learning or pattern recognition involved or not.
@varx Radium condoms, radium toothpaste, radium tablets... I see the similarities.
@BackFromTheDud @varx somewhere in my archives is advertisements for Radium Rectal Stimulators …
@MishaVanMollusq That sounds like a more "specialised" line of products... @varx
@varx
now trying to imagine "AI butter". i don't thank you `w;7[)
@varx If you want to know more about radium and other radioactive stuff Kyle Hill is pretty good. Fair warning though, he does not hide the severity of the consequences of misuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIoIn6iDZgY
The Radium Worked Until His Jaw Fell Off

We'd like to thank Luciteria for the loan of the element samples and the display in today’s episode. To learn more please check them out here: https://www.lu...

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@fluffgar Yeah, I've seen some of the Radium Girls stuff and it is *extremely horrifying*.
@varx like this πŸ€—

@fetchezlavache Amazing. πŸ˜†

(I sure hope they were lying about the first part of that guarantee.)

@varx

Mmmmmm, radium butter. So tasty on asbestos biscuits.
And it keeps them warm all day!

@varx

The Newest AI marketing campaign:

Convince MAGA geniuses that radium suppositories will cure bad breath.

@Ultraverified @varx great until they give them to their kids

@cinebox @varx

If the bad breath doesn't prevent reproduction, the radium will

@varx surely, we won't discover it has some horrific consequences in the future, right? πŸ˜…
@varx there were "radium" candies in the Soviet union :)
@varx That is actually an excellent comparison. Thank you.
@varx This is the best analogy I have seen in a very long time.
@varx oh I was thinking about this the other day. LLM and AI does feel like Those victoriana advertisements talking about the power of magnetism or doctors recommending tobacco brands.

@varx @GrumpusNation

and much like with radium, it's getting put (radium underpants) in a lot of places (radium suppositories) where you really ( radium tooth powder, my fucking gods ) don't want it.

@varx oh radium too?uranium glassware comes immediately to mind
@varx you mean like block chain Softdrinks...
@varx Yes. One South Sea Bubble after another...and a US President hellbent on making the financial world more volatile.
@varx Artists could use it amongst each other as a pun.
"Ey. Your picture looks like AI-generated!"
@varx
AI butter πŸ€”
@varx cyber. it was all cyber. ;)
@varx TIL about the Museum of Radium: https://museumofradium.co.uk/
Collection - Museum of Radium

The Museum of Radium showcases the collection of Lucy Jane Santos author of Half Lives: The Unlikely History of Radium, published by Icon in July 2020

Museum of Radium
@m @varx I do some work with uranium glass & this is a great resource! πŸ’š https://museumofradium.co.uk/
Collection - Museum of Radium

The Museum of Radium showcases the collection of Lucy Jane Santos author of Half Lives: The Unlikely History of Radium, published by Icon in July 2020

Museum of Radium

@varx I like the radium example. In that era of radioactivity as a new toy, scientists detected radon at various hot springs known for their healing power.

Previous attempts to bottle and ship such healing water had failed. So they assumed the short-lived radon explained the magic healing power of these springs.

The result was radioactive water being sold as a health tonic. Some of it seriously dangerous.

@varx and in both cases Poles played a significant part in discivering it :/

@varx

even though they thankfully did not actually have any radioactive materials. Like "radium butter"Not so lucky this time... πŸ˜‡

@varx radium at least had to kill you in person
@varx I swear I once read about Radium swimming pools, but all I'm finding online is "Radium Springs". I did see this about an irradiated drinking water fad: https://hackaday.com/2023/11/10/radioactive-water-was-once-a-horrifying-health-fad/ ☠️
Radioactive Water Was Once A (Horrifying) Health Fad

Take a little time to watch the history of Radithor, a presentation by [Adam Blumenberg] into a quack medicine that was exactly what it said on the label: distilled water containing around 2 microg…

Hackaday
@varx and "atomic" and "rocket" and "cyber" and "e-" and, back in the day, "electric"...

@varx see also,

"Radio"
"Laser"
"HD"
"Tactical"