I'm so sick people thinking if they don't like the system, they can just not be a part of it. There will always be a system, and you will always be affected by it. There is no system that runs in autopilot. Even in the best case scenario, where there is revolution (we don't need to talk about the 50 years of violent unrest that follows violent revolution, right?) there will still be a system, you'll still be a part of it, it will still be vulnerable.

The Cost of freedom is eternal vigilance, the cost of not participating is even higher.

@RickiTarr This is my main problem with Anarchism. To make sure nobody takes control of the uncontrolled, it would take a serious amount of... control.

I can see that everyone I mean EVERYONE putting their oar in would prevent centralized control. How to get people to do that…

social norms, horror tales of what happened when we didn’t, Voting Sausage and kids parades and the fancy dessert we make in water-system-maintenance-season… there are ways. They require care too!

Everything sublunar does.
M@sahqon@beige.party @RickiTarr

@sahqon @RickiTarr hi, barging in uninvited to say that’s why they got trounced in the Spanish Civil War while the Communists did somewhat better. Disclaimer, I wasn’t there, and I’ve read only one book on the subject 😀

@FourT4 @sahqon I am definitely not a vampire, totally wasn't there.

-Jon

@sahqon @RickiTarr I've been thinking the exact same thing; I like the idea of a collaborative, egalitarian society, obvi, but... how to keep literally everyone, down to the last individual, from organizing in ANY hiearchial ways at all? Wouldn't that take some serious, well, policing...?
@sahqon @RickiTarr My own recent flirtation with anarchist ideas has nothing to do with idealism, or pie-in-the-sky ideology, or some Utopian commitment to anything. It's more to do with a recognition that we're headed there anyway, whether we like it or not. Civilizational collapse is on the horizon, and community-led systems of mutual aid and support, including co-ops and syndicalized labour - everything anarchists have been advocating - are the only way we'll stand any chance of surviving it.