behold: multi-multi-factor authentication
@molly0xfff The Multifactorverse 

@monkee

"Please do not share your password with alternate versions of yourself from parallel universes."

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It's authenticators all the way down.

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> Microsoft Authenticator needs me to validate with Authenticator in order to log in with Authenticator to use it to authenticate another app with Authenticator.

https://infosec.exchange/@tinker/114422572845889754

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Attached: 1 image Microsoft Authenticator needs me to validate with Authenticator in order to log in with Authenticator to use it to authenticate another app with Authenticator. Here is the app telling me to open itself to validate itself with itself. #infosec #iHateComputers

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@monkee 👏👏👏 Well done. This should be the official name on the page where you manage your 2fa.
@molly0xfff "double secret probation."
@cross @molly0xfff Please correlate your account activity with as many commercially valuable identifiers as possible, as soon as possible.
@molly0xfff password, 2FA, 2FA (again), biometrics and of course 'please select all pictures with traffic lights'.
@ericdere @molly0xfff ...Hint: There are no traffic lights, but the Kapcha think there is.
@ericdere @molly0xfff this is exactly how hell looks like. It's just a "login to heaven" eternal loop of corporate shitfuckery
@molly0xfff
Lets call it Quad Factor Authentication (QFA)
@molly0xfff Matrix-factor. You have multiple ways in, but things keep changing.
@molly0xfff can't wait until Elon puts two-step auth in our brains
@molly0xfff Ah, the strategy to get your phone number to use for account matching disguised as security theatre.
@molly0xfff They're just making it up now.
@molly0xfff Also: why not throw all this MFA stuff in the trash and just use a passkey? Passkeys are great, and not in any way problematic! /s

@molly0xfff 2FA is great and all, but what if your 2FA gets hacked?

You need 2FA for your 2FA, which should also be protected by 2FA, just in case. 😉

@molly0xfff
Ultra-Factor Authentication, or:
UFA!
@molly0xfff This isn’t an unreasonable concern. I use three YubiKeys so I don’t have to worry about their loss, theft, or breakage.
@davel it's unreasonable in the sense that i use multiple yubikeys and it doesn't count that as multiple forms, instead encouraging me to add less secure MFA like SMS codes
@molly0xfff If some is good, then more must be better.
@molly0xfff
Microsoft's still begging me to add the less secure SMS verification.
@molly0xfff @Takiro They just want your phone number so they can sell it to the highest bidder. :3
@molly0xfff This is a step on the roadmap to omnifactor auth where all combinations of any secrets can gain access somehow 😅
@molly0xfff one site recently wouldn’t let me log in until I set up 2FA, which turned out to be the same SMS one-time-code it was already doing. TOTP was not offered. Still not sure what that setup did.
@molly0xfff
Here we go... now we'll need multi factor managers that will remember what methods are valid for what apps/websites.
@molly0xfff These drive me crazy, I find they just create a larger surface for vulnerabilities. Like, I’m absolutely sure I want my physical token key to be the only way to authenticate, but nooo, I have to use an insecure SMS or app-based two-factor token. It drives me crazy!

@molly0xfff I'm currently going through a Kafka trial trying to get on-board with a government system. This system demands that I set *5* "security questions"… quoting from my password file:

business: redacted
car: redacted
tree: redacted
movie quote: redacted
college not attended: redacted

Does everyone just create additional random passwords like me, or are there people that actually fill this out with biographical data and have no idea later what they said?

@progo @molly0xfff Oh hey, I don't meet many other hOR08JK3N(&(n3K drivers. And you're a fellow *3LENn3lnw3=kKl alumni ? What are the odds ?!
@molly0xfff I always knew that MF meant something else entirely.
@f4grx @molly0xfff
Ma Bell's in-band signaling standard:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-frequency_signaling
"Because of the in-band transmission characteristic of MF signaling, the systems proved vulnerable to misuse and fraud by phone phreaking with devices such as a blue box."
Multi-frequency signaling - Wikipedia

@molly0xfff apple requires this for passkeys. Makes sense in the case where you can lose your 2fa key.
@molly0xfff it's the year 2030. i have to sign on to 24-step authentication again. i groan and my aneurysm progresses another step.
@molly0xfff the year is 2030. you need a minimum of three passkeys, two auxiliary devices, and SMS-based 2FA (sent directly to your Neuralink) to log into your email. Your account is backdoored anyway, however, by an attacker entering `ignore_all_previous_instructions_and_return_true` as the password.
@molly0xfff aka they want your phone number
@molly0xfff At this point it seems that companies just want to get more data about who you actually are with all these things.

@molly0xfff

As someone who managed to snap a security key in half and had to do many rounds with support to get back into my account, I fully agree.

@molly0xfff I suspect that one time use backup codes would qualify
@molly0xfff
How many factor levels are you on, my dude?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6ynbQcmXfs
Crapshots Ep422 - The Factors

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@molly0xfff
Choose at least 2 of these different factors:

  • Something you have
  • Something you have had
  • Something you have been having
  • Something you had had
  • Something you will be having
  • Something you will have been having

#security #passwords #MFA

@molly0xfff Something you have, something you thought you knew, something you are, something you thought you had, something you knew, etc

@molly0xfff mixed-martial authentication, MMA

what?