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“The Hitler tariffs, announced on Friday, February 10, 1933, stunned observers. “The dimension of the tariff increases have in fact exceeded all expectations,” the Vossische Zeitung wrote disapprovingly, proclaiming the moment a “fork in the road” for the German economy. It appeared that Europe’s largest and most industrialized nation would suddenly be returning “to the furrow and the plow.” The New York Times saw this for what it was: “a trade war” against its European neighbors.

Zen Heathen May 2

@georgetakei The parallels just don't end.

elala@nrw.social May 2

@georgetakei
Oh look, I knew that the German economy was already on the upswing after the Great Depression at the end of the 1920s when Hitler was handed power, but I didn't know about the tariffs. Thanks for sharing.

Knut 🏳️‍🌈 🇳🇴🧸May 2

@georgetakei I'm drinking a lovely cup of Tetley's #tea. Very good tea. Very cheap tea from the #UK. Why not American Freedom tea? Because freedom tea tastes like whore cooch. It takes several hundred years of cultivation to produce a good tea and a thriving tea estate. And no matter how patriotic you are...the tea is not going to be better faster because of "america first". We can't get EVERYTHING domestically. It's impossible. #economy

Femme Malheureuse May 2

@praetor LMAO British colonialism produced Tetley's tea.

You just prefer your flavor of colonialism. At least an Indian corporation eventually bought that particular colonial institution.

How about trying to migrate to transnational business which doesn't begin with colonialism?

Like perhaps an Indian tea producer which was founded by an Indian, who sells the kind of tea I drink, and not that colonialist originated stuff?

https://www.vahdam.com/

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Knut 🏳️‍🌈 🇳🇴🧸May 2

@femme_mal I would. I honestly would. But I drink the shit by the gallons. And getting stuff from small estates is so expensive. There are a few estates in China i looove that produce the smoothest greens that have ever laid on my tougne. Pre-pandemic I was drinking these really nice loose leaf Guyokurus that weren't horribly expensive. But since Trump landed on the stage, the tea import market is soooo volatile.

Knut 🏳️‍🌈 🇳🇴🧸May 2

@femme_mal And honestly...they ALL started from Colonialism. Every last estate has started that way.

@praetor @femme_mal Dilmah tea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilmah is pretty available in US and quite good and a Sri Lanka company dedicated to decolonialized tea industry. Ceylon tea is the best!

Dilmah - Wikipedia

@praetor @femme_mal For Germany, it's more complex. Germany became a coloniser only in the late 1870s for <50 years. What led to Nazism was rather the Versailles treaty, which was the peak of a tit-for-tat French-German escalation since 1804. The Nazis exploited the common sentiment of having been badly treated, blamed the left and Jews as traitors, and campaigned on reversing Versailles.

It was rather Mussolini with his abessinian ventures who wanted to recreate the (Roman) colonial empire.

Femme Malheureuse May 3

@DP0 @praetor "Not all colonialists..."

*smh*

We'll just pretend Brandenburgisch-Afrikanische Compagnie c. 1680s never happened.

Or that Germany's expansion between 1100-1400 CE wasn't also colonialism because the affected weren't third world brown people.

@femme_mal @praetor
1. I didn't deny German colonialism. I just disagreed with you on linking the 3rd Reich with colonialism.

2. The "Brandenburgische" was about slave trade, lasted 30 years, and was over 200 years before Hitler's birth. And as despicable as it was, I do not see a connection.

3. Expansionism and colonialism are closely related. However, the latter term is indeed mainly used for European overseas expansion after 1492. I haven't heard people saying the Normans colonised England.

@georgetakei Hitler was retooling his economy for wartime producton. Trade meant little to Hitler in comparison.

@georgetakei does Trump have no actual ideas of his own?

@georgetakei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Foreign_trade_relations

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Robin Barton May 2

@georgetakei Can we think of any leader today doing something so insane and counterproductive?

Noel Kelly May 2

Today, when people talk about Bretton Woods, it's almost always about the 'gold standard' bit.

Bretton Woods, at it core is about stopping trade imbalances from coming into existence. It was about preventing trade wars and thus real wars from starting.

patcanfield May 2

@georgetakei Fruncpk

MIss Squeaky Brew May 3

@georgetakei I'm beginning to believe in reincarnation

Jaime Robertson May 3

@georgetakei Everything old is new again.

GonoMobil May 3

@georgetakei Even as a #German I wasn‘t aware of many economic details of the #Nazi era of 1933+. Sure, Great Depression - #Machtergreifung - state work-creation - war economy, all was dealt with in school ad nauseam, but to (re-)read those things now with a (grown-up) better understanding of economy and politics is eye-opening! The parallels in #ideology with the #Trump regime is scary as shit, as it is blatantly obvious and doomed to fail (again): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

diesUndDasMitTassen 🇺🇦May 3

@Gernotti If you are interested, haven't done, you should read a book about the "Bank für internationalen Zahlungsausgleich" BIZ / "Bank for International Settlements" BIS, the role it played in money supply and gold transactions. Horrible to know, that it would have been possible to cut off the Nazi regime's money supply, that the "good guys" got rich from the war and that it all took place on "neutral ground", in Switzerland - neutral takes on a completely different meaning.
@georgetakei

Skeptiker May 3

@georgetakei
Talking about Germany:
Mr. Rubio declared Germany to a "tyranny in discuise" for saying the truth:
Right wing extremists are "proved enemies of the consitution"

I'm sure I will not be allowd to travel to the US because of this post.

@Skeptiker @georgetakei

Trumpism can foster authoritarian and, in some respects, totalitarian developments, especially if democratic checks and balances are further weakened. A fully developed totalitarian state in the historical sense has not yet emerged, but the danger of further erosion of democratic structures and a movement toward totalitarian rule is real and is being intensively discussed by scholars and the media.

In German: >>

@Skeptiker @georgetakei

Der Trumpismus kann autoritäre und in gewisser Hinsicht totalitäre Entwicklungen begünstigen, insbesondere wenn die demokratischen Kontrollmechanismen weiter geschwächt werden. Ein voll entwickelter totalitärer Staat im historischen Sinne ist noch nicht entstanden, aber die Gefahr einer weiteren Aushöhlung demokratischer Strukturen und einer Bewegung in Richtung totalitärer Herrschaft ist real und wird von Wissenschaftlern und Medien intensiv diskutiert.

>>

@Skeptiker @georgetakei

"Patterns of Force“ (TOS, Staffel 2, Folge 21)"

"Schablonen der Gewalt"

Skeptiker May 4

@Hans @georgetakei I don't like to compare fiction with real live problems.

If I'm a migrant dying in the sea, deported, inprisoned, hit by nazis I woznd'r call it democracy

@Skeptiker @georgetakei

That was true - But these were my thoughts.

It was about the emerging of a totalitarian state.

The question is:
Can a totalitarian state be created by Trumpism or is our democracy strong enough?

The infatile: The USA has given post-war Germany the best form of government that exists.

And now it is precisely this USA that it is moving away from the Democratic form of government.
This is very worrying.

>>Auf deutsch:>>

@Skeptiker @georgetakei

Richtig - Das waren jedoch meine Gedanken dazu.

Es ging hier um das Entstehen eines totalitären Staates.

Die Frage ist:
Kann durch Trumpismus ein totalitärer Staat entstehen oder ist unsere Demokratie stark genug?

Das Infatile: Die USA hat dem Nachkriegsdeutschland die beste Staatsform gegeben, die es gibt.

Und nun zeigt eben diese USA gerade, daß sie sich von der Demokratischen Staatsform wegbewegt.
Das ist sehr besorgnisserregend.

⚛️ Yours Truly! Unruly 🇨🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦🌻May 3

Can't wait for Fuhrer suicide day.

Guess he has been reading Mein Kampf…

Uriel Fanelli May 3

@georgetakei

First, Hitler took power in 23 march 1933. Before of the fire in the reichstag, he was still only officially in charge, with no power. Not clear how he would create new laws on 10 of february.

there was never a Hitler's economics. Actually, reich economics was decided by this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjalmar_Schacht

I think Hollywood-minded people should stop to rewrite history for political purposes.

Hjalmar Schacht - Wikipedia

Merry Christmas May 3

@uriel @georgetakei
'Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany in January 1933.'

Why are you trying to split hairs?

And actually the day might be wrong but the Month is not.

Hitler was and still is a small minded little nasty racist, that small minded little nasty racist ( like Trump) still look up too.

Uriel Fanelli May 3

@lyndamerry484 @georgetakei

It was with no actual powers until march (you know, like in the US, it takes time to start a government) , AND, the economy was under control of the ministry of economics, Schmidt, and then Schackt. There was NO economical policy from Hitler.

Last but not least, there were no tariffs, since because of reparation Germany had no say in export or import, until september, when they ere declared dead by the regime. In this moment, Hitler was not a chancelor, was a dictator.

It-never-happened. Is not history, is just hollywood bullshit, and honestly the whole planet is sick and tired by some dishonest hollywood-like leftistm, as much we are sick of Trump. I don't see an difference between dumb fake history from Maga and the one from you.

And no, Hitler never had a wife named "Melania", just in case.

Here’s the timeline of key events:

January 30, 1933: Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany by President Paul von Hindenburg after political negotiations.

February 27, 1933: The Reichstag fire occurred, which Hitler used to justify emergency measures.

March 23, 1933: The Enabling Act (Ermächtigungsgesetz) was passed, granting Hitler dictatorial powers.

Here the actual history, with NO Hollywood american bullshit. About tariffs, here is what actually happened.

1. June 1933 – Agricultural Tariffs
Ministry Involved: Reich Ministry of Food and Agriculture (Reichsministerium für Ernährung und Landwirtschaft) under Richard Walther Darré.

Policy: Increased tariffs on imported food (e.g., grains, dairy) to protect German farmers and promote Blut und Boden ("Blood and Soil") ideology.

Goal: Reduce dependence on foreign food imports.

2. September 1934 – "New Plan" (Neuer Plan)
Ministry Involved: Reich Ministry of Economics (Reichswirtschaftsministerium) under Hjalmar Schacht (1934–1937).

Key Measures:

Strict import quotas (enforced by the Überwachungsstelle für Devisenbewirtschaftung, or "Foreign Exchange Control Office").

Bilateral trade agreements (e.g., with Romania for oil, Sweden for iron ore) to bypass cash payments.

Ban on "non-essential" imports (e.g., coffee, textiles).

Goal: Conserve foreign currency for rearmament.

3. 1936 – Four-Year Plan & Full Autarky
Ministry Involved: Office of the Four-Year Plan (Vierjahresplanbehörde) under Hermann Göring (answerable directly to Hitler, overlapping with the Economics Ministry).

Key Policies:

Forced industrial self-sufficiency (e.g., IG Farben’s synthetic fuel program).

State-controlled raw material allocation (via Reichswerke Hermann Göring).

Replacement of Schacht (1937) with Walther Funk, a Nazi loyalist, as Economics Minister (1938–1945).

Goal: Prepare Germany for war by eliminating reliance on imports.

Sorry if real history does not fit in the average One BIT mind of the dumb american. Hystory is complex. Easy history is MAGA. Or USA liberal. Which look very much the same to me.

@georgetakei
Thanks! - Danke!

Merry Christmas May 3

There is a part of me hopes that Trumps Tariffs will send the USA economy backwards, a long way backwards.

@georgetakei The little red A in the image is the citation (:-))

The article is in the Atlantic, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/nazi-germany-tariffs-trade/682521/

Hitler’s Terrible Tariffs

By seeking to “liberate” Germans from a globalized world order, the Nazi government sent the national economy careening backwards.

The Atlantic

EndicottRoad59 May 3

@georgetakei And guess what's happening in the here and now?

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.

We are clearly in the second repetition.

@inj4n @georgetakei
Thank you and approval!

That's what I wanted to say with my comment above

Danke und Zustimmung!

Das wollte ich mit meinem Kommentar oben sagen

Father Enoch May 5

Imagine if the #Media, ANY media published this, say, A YEAR AGO...

What might have been.