Imagine this was 1944, and the Allies were slowly but surely starting to defeat the Nazis; but then in the middle of the complex war, a new US president came into power, and he suggested that Europe should now achieve peace by letting Hitler keep France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, and Poland.
We Europeans would laugh at that president. Just like we are laughing at Trump right now, for suggesting we should let the modern day Hitler keep Crimea, Kherson, Zaporitzjzja, Donetsk and Luhansk.
@randahl At this time in ‘44 the Nazis were already defeated soundly in the Eastern theater. We’re well past Stalingrad (end of Army Group South) and Kursk (end of offensive capacity of Center), and Leningrad (defeat of North). Bagration is about to break the back of the German armies finally. End game.
The minor west front distractions helped speed up the march towards Berlin a bit, but by this time the cards were dealt. FDR dementing into Trump would not turn that tide.
I doubt that Russia would have had the capacity without US support.
Germany probably would have lost and would have been smaller and look like so many countries that the US abandoned. It takes them a very long time to recover.
@randahl in the middle of that vast conflict, huge numbers of ingenious and practiced armed men, and even then women devious besides, it would have been very tempting not to stop at laughter.
Following defeat, not tempting at all, nor control maintained.
I'd blame the Free French, of course.
@randahl this is not in any way, shape, or form meant to disagree with you.
But wow that's a lot of z's in one word.
Is that the normal spelling though? On wikipedia it is "Zaporizhzhia" which makes a lot of sense, since in Ukrainian it contains two "ж", which are usually transliterated in English as "zh".
EDIT: Ok, in danish I see it spelled as "Zaporizjzja", which is closer to what you wrote. "j" is short i from what I know (correct me on this), so "zj" as "ж" is a little bit weird in my opinion? It also kinda omits the short "i" at the end ("я" - "-ja") (unless "-zja" is for "-жя", which would make a bit of sense)? I'm not sure at all what is happening there :)
@GBSMedia @randahl termless military and economical support until Russia's economy is completely drained, plus strategic bombing of russian railways, weapon factories, and nuke reserves. That's the only possible way to defeat an ideological conqueror: make their support base (Moscow) blame said conqueror, usually by letting them experience their own treatment.
The EU *might* be able to directly intervene; the US can't, unless it wants a world war.
are you laughing?😞
that's very serious.
Imagine a 1944, where bigoted billionaires like Henry Ford & Standard Oil bought an election for such a president.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250313164/hitlersamericanfriends/
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250276551/hitlersaristocrats/
Musk & Koch are today's Henry Ford & Standard Oil.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/08/us-news/elon-musk-joined-trumps-call-with-zelensky-report/
Establishment politicians keep Trump in office, as they did with Hitler.
McConnell is today's von Papen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/books/review/richard-j-evans-hitlers-people.html
Now I wonder why an American president would do what he is doing now? Please tell me, as in my view only a honorless total thug of a man would act as he does, where does this guy stand other than on the side of dictators. On Putin’s leash in my view…
Shameless… unspeakable evil and stupidity…
A good idea, definitely a lot of material in there...
The below always comes to my mind:
1/4 Against the backdrop of ever louder calls for concessions to #putin concerning territory and/or the right to freely choose alliances, it should be said: Whoever argues for compromises with putin, please realize that his actions in #Ukraine will then set a precedent and become a blueprint. Everything that the world has seen there so far (torture, sexual violence, abduction of children, eradication of cultural identity, advancing despite massive losses, use of criminals, shelling of residential buildings, kindergartens, schools, hospitals, attacks on the energy infrastructure depending on the time of year, glide bombs, drone hunting of civilians, shooting of prisoners of war, etc.) will *increase*. It will increase because it will have proven its effectiveness.
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