Mastodawn

@aral I was wondering if you have heard about this.

Aral Balkan 1d ago

@arda Yep. Posted about it but will boost yours too. Can’t have too many eyes on what’s going on.

Nico198X 1d ago

exactly why #bluesky is a false hope mirage.

su_liam 1d ago

@ssg @f @arda I figure when people recognize Bluesky as the vulture capitalist enshittification engine that it is and start migrating away, the vulture capitalists will just prop up some new venture with a non-binding motto like “don’t be evil, lol,” and suck them right back off again.

@ssg @f @arda in

@su_liam @ssg @f @arda Count on it.

nickapos 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg It will happen in all authoritarian regimes, including US. Either they will be bought by a billionaire and be used to push their agenda, or they will have to respond to these types of requests under the threat of being shut down.

Ina Chara 1d ago

how timely, i literally just asked a couple of hours ago how bluesky was doing, lol

levampyre 1d ago

@arda So when they come here, let's be nice and inclusive and not paternalize and overwhelm them with rule citing, behavioural regulation and shaming for not doing x, y and z ...

@f @ssg

felis_catus_domesticus 1d ago

@levampyre @arda @f @ssg

hahaha you funny guy..

my first thought was "oh just the same way censorship works in the Fediverse.."

Flawed by design..

roland 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg and so it begins ?!?! Sad face!

@arda @f @ssg Well, those users can just move to one of the other Bluesky instances.

Oh wait, you say there aren't any? 😱

Nils Weisensee 1d ago

@slothrop @arda @f @ssg Is that still so? No independent Bluesky instances??

Davey 1d ago

@nw @slothrop @arda @f @ssg there was/is a group trying to raise funds to set up an independent relay, which is kind of the backbone of the whole thing, a lot of the other bits are feasibly self-hosted.

They were looking for tens of millions to do it, which isn't promising.

@davey_cakes @nw @arda @f @ssg if you ask me (which nobody did), it’s a “why did anyone think that was a good idea” sort of idea 🙄

felis_catus_domesticus 1d ago

@slothrop @davey_cakes @nw @arda @f @ssg

somebody's going to pocket 8 of the 10 million and leave the users hanging. smells scammy. there are enough servers in the fediverse to contain the accounts of every turk living, and their pets.

felis_catus_domesticus 1d ago

@slothrop @davey_cakes @nw @arda @f @ssg

and reason #2.. ppl are st00pid..

@slothrop @f @ssg If only they were any.. It's theoretically possible but no one ever hosted one, and I'm not even sure how federation would work on that anyways. Not to mention if clients are ready for that, and 99% of these people are not tech savvy people, so I'd rather them join to an Activitypub instances such as Mastodon's.

@arda @f @ssg Yes, exactly.

I was being sarcastic. With estimates for running a Bluesky instance in the tens of millions of dollars per year, we can pretty much forget about it ever being truly decentralized.

As someone who looks at tech through the lens of power structures, I had exactly zero faith in Bluesky. And that was before they started bowing to dictators.

Sedat Kapanoglu 1d ago

@slothrop @arda @f > With estimates for running a Bluesky instance in the tens of millions of dollars per year

that's the cost of running a relay, not a PDS right?

@ssg @arda @f Uh, I forgot the exact terminology.

It's the cost for the thing that essentially holds a full copy of all the posts on the ATproto network, and of which several would be needed to provide any significant degree of effective decentralization.

Meanwhile, I'm sure that more than one person here is fiddling around to get an ActivityPub compliant instance running on their old electric toothbrush.

https://git.fediversity.eu/Fediversity/Fediversity

Thor A. Hopland 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg I've been thinking of what are the best and easiest ways of getting people into a #tech #cooperative. That is, self host as a local community.

#Fediversity shows one such way, via #NixOS. In this #NixFlake we see an automated setup for a set of services, like #Mastodon, #Peertube and #Pixelfed.

You basically fork this, modify its variables and run it on your server and you should have your own platforms up and running.

Fediversity

Forgejo: Beyond coding. We Forge.

Baron Vonskinnback 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg #bluesky is just another anti-free speech social media platform, following in the well trodden paths of Xitter, meta, Snapchat, tiktok and truth social. What will it take for people to finally learn this?

Robert Kingett 22h ago

More censorship is the only way they will get it, and even then, they will stay and fight the way so many tried to fight Twitter. @Vonskinnback @arda @f @ssg

lotusexpeditor 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg What people expecting without installing a decentralized instance? Centralizing the founding node? The ideal decen would look like the accounts that i've mentioned, everyone is from a different instance.

Dan 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg I'm not here to defend bluesky - but if that's the law to operate in a country, realistically, what choice does bluesky have? To simply not operate in that country? Is that better? What choice would a fedi instance operator have? It's a sticky situation.

nickapos 1d ago

@dan @arda @f @ssg They have no choice, it’s either that or withdraw from the country. That is exactly the issue with centralisation. In a truly decentralised platform it is very difficult to do this. It requires huge effort by the government so they end up not being very effective.

bozhkov 1d ago

@dan @arda @f @ssg the best strategy i can think of is not using 1 centralised relay - in the case of mastodon, say they force mastodon. social to comply - you can just move to another instance with relatively little cost to you, whereas if bsky.app blocks you, you're pretty much screwed, no?

@bozhkov @dan @f @ssg Exactly!

JimmyB (he/him)1d ago

@dan

Yup, complying with totalitarians and fascists is always a bad idea. Not sure that's really too controversial.

@dan @f @ssg With solutions such as ActivityPub, the person can move all of their account to a different instance, but in Bluesky, there's not an easy way to do that.

enthraxxx 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg Je suis sûr que @gPiak sera ravi de savoir cela. 😇

Nabil Tannerian 🤨1d ago

@enthraxxx non mais cherche pas, la probabilité que je revienne ici est proche de 0.

enthraxxx 1d ago

@gPiak I know.
Just teasing.

Death by Lambda 1d ago

What is #Turkish for #introduction / #neuhier?

@xdydx @f @ssg

#tanıtım could be exact translation, but it may sound more like a marketing buzzword. Alternatives could be #hakkımda (About Me), #merhaba (Hello), or #kendinitanıt (introduce yourself).

Death by Lambda 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg
#merhaba has the most posts.
Welcome to Mastodon #Türkiye

Aiono 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg this is why only real alternative is a non-profit like mastodon. I am trying to convince people to migrate to mastodon instead but it's hard to convince anyone.

samiamsam 1d ago

we tried to warn them

Spitfire 1d ago

@arda free speech, everyone! 🙄

JimmyB (he/him)1d ago

@arda

All those folks saying 'give Bluesky a chance' and 'its not the same' or 'it's how Twitter was at the beginning'...

Could you apologise now? Could you stop being dupes of the capitalist exploiters?

No? Didn't think so.

@f @ssg

Cabbidges 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg
I'm quite glad because every time I wonder if I should try Bluesky they go and do something stupid, and then I don't bother, and then they do something even more stupid, and so it goes on. And I'm totally safe from trying out Bluesky. Not going to happen anytime soon - or possibly ever.

troy_friz_zell 1d ago

Wow, from zero to enshittified in record time.

We tried to tell people, they didn't listen.

Chewie 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg it's a bit strange though isn't it? It's not like they have employees there surely?

Franceska Mann 1d ago

@f @arda @ssg

The New Yorker ran a long think piece about blue sky. Mastodon had a couple mentions. We have 11 million users. Blue sky has 33 million. In that article the CEO stated that bluesky is looking for ways to profit and commoditize the platform. No one is safe there.

Grant Gould 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg
This would be a pretty awesome place for @mmasnick / @mmasnick.bsky.social to comment...

Vincent Sparks 1d ago

@arda @f @ssg Do you mean to tell me that the "federated" platform with only one frontend that everyone has to use enshittified and there's nothing we can do about it?

Do you really mean to tell me that Cory Doctorow was RIGHT? (https://https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact)

Color me shocked!

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