welcome to 2025 where mainboards have 7 different kinds of USB ports
@flacs @whitequark you can’t plug your printer into Lightning Gaming, that’s illegal
@zzt @flacs @whitequark what if you’re printing screenshots of video games?

@passwordsarehard4 @flacs @whitequark unfortunately that’s not very lightning and it therefore violates the Lightning Gaming RFC:

- MUST be lightning (SHOULD NOT be the Apple one though)
- MUST be gaming
- SHOULD implement USB (version not specified)

(where the key words “MUST”, “SHOULD”, and “SHOULD NOT” are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119)

@flacs not-so-universal serial bus
@a1ba @flacs It's officially lived long enough to become the evil it was created to destroy.
@a1ba @flacs
not so universal
not so serial
not so much a bus
@flacs why does the ethernet port read 5G? 
@kaia @flacs Presumably because it supports 5Gbps speeds (which really makes me wonder what chipset's used – I've only seen 10 and 2.5G higher-speed eth ports so far).
@jernej__s i think you can just put two 2.5G chips together

@jernej__s @kaia @flacs

Most of these I see are getting 5gbps by ignoring the chipset's integrated ethernet and adding a discrete Realtek chip like the RTL8126

@m0xEE @kaia @flacs I find the existence of the 2.5 and 5 gigabit ethernet ports strange, why not just give us 10
@vxo@digipres.club
I'm on the opposite side of this spectrum, I find it hard to justify even the gigabit ones for personal use 😅
I'm mostly into text content on the Internet and I only get reminded of maximum network throughputs when I need to copy large amounts of video before going somewhere for more than a couple of days/nights — even in this case, storage is usually the main bottleneck 🤷
@kaia@brotka.st @flacs@mastodon.social
@m0xEE @kaia @flacs Yeah, I realize I work with some edge cases. At work we have a big video SAN/library system and have to transfer great gobs of gigabytes back and forth for video editing and production, so I have actually been in the situation of staring at a transfer running over gigabit lan and thinking "this is taking a while"
@vxo@digipres.club
True, there are certainly use cases for that — especially in video production, in this case you can also afford SSD-based mirrored arrays to keep the storage end covered. But for personal use IDK — modern wireless standards, even those are more than enough for most of my needs.
@kaia@brotka.st @flacs@mastodon.social
@vxo @m0xEE @kaia @flacs because the unit price of the Realtrash RTL8126 is less than $2, versus an Intel i226V at $2.87, and an Aquantia AQR113 at $10+.
@m0xEE @flacs @kaia N-BASE-T, most likely RTL8157. Cheaper and much more energy efficient/cooler than 10GBase-T.
@kaia Propably because of 5 Gbit/s Ethernet (5GBASE-T)
2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T - Wikipedia

@flacs what the actual fuck is a "lightning gaming" USB port
@soweliniko @flacs Would like to know that, too.
@soweliniko @flacs I did find this picture, which raises more questions than it answers.
@jernej__s @soweliniko @flacs Per the block diagram it's a separate ASM3042 controller connected via PCIE x1 with two ports. (So not one controller per port wasting even more lanes.) Instead of being directly attached to the Intel 800 chipset. So, sure, it's not attached to the root complexes of the chipset but uh... Although apparently you can passthrough this controller independently into VMs... :>
@phil @jernej__s @flacs so essentially, it's snake oil? (with the exception of the niche VM use)
@soweliniko @flacs @jernej__s I wonder if there's an argument around "if the USB controller of the chipset crashes it won't take down those two ports". But the marketing material doesn't make sense to me either.
@soweliniko @flacs @phil Yup, especially because mouse and keyboard use so much bandwidth that they cause bus congestion!
@jernej__s @soweliniko @flacs USB controllers, famously incapable of handing input from both a mouse AND a keyboard.

@jernej__s @soweliniko @flacs What I have deduced from this picture is that running a Saleae Logic or SDR is the most lightning™ gamer™ thing you can do.

Having separate USB controllers and root ports is actually beneficial, but the marketing team is definitely doing... uhh... that.

@jernej__s @soweliniko @flacs who has "arrow to upper left" and "arrow to upper right" keys?!
@jernej__s @soweliniko @flacs there's some audiophile-level misrepresentation of technology right there.
@soweliniko @flacs
It brings you the power of the dark side, so you can use lightnings like Lord Palpatine.

@soweliniko @flacs

It supposed to be low latency, probably USB 3.0. But it seems anything plugged into them can't access uEFI.

@flacs @gsuberland more like specific serial bus
@flacs @gsuberland also see: "ambiguous serial bus"
@secretasianman @flacs unending serial buses
@gsuberland @flacs undecided serial bus, just wants to hear more about the issues why is this so hard HI-SPEED
@flacs it's missing the display port and thunderbolt enabled ones 😁 if you really want to you'll be able to maybe go up to 10 🫣
@flacs I will answer this with a song from my youth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQaY2VABZQ
Eskimos & Egypt-Welcome To The Future

YouTube
@flacs and spidf? We could have been all optical by now
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@erincandescent @k4m1 @alina the funny thing is that we designed systems to support a multitude of protocols. then we proceeded to only ever (commonly) use three of them (ARP, IPv4, IPv6)but fear n...

@flacs needs more ports ... and the PS/2 mouse/keyboard combo port for old keyboards