This New Open-Source Alternative to Google Docs and Notion Is Backed by France and Germany

Docs is an web-based collaborative text editor that is the result of a joint effort led by the French 🇫🇷🥖 (DINUM) and German 🇩🇪🥨 governments (ZenDiS).

It's a good alternative to popular services like Notion, Google Docs and Outline.

The platform offers real-time collaboration capabilities, a sleek minimalist interface, and all the essential features you could possibly need.

Best of all, Docs is open-source on GitHub and can be self-hosted, making it a viable option for local agencies and companies.

You can test Docs on your browser by visiting this page:

https://impress-preprod.beta.numerique.gouv.fr/

using the login:

email: [email protected]
password: I'd<3ToTestDocs

https://www.howtogeek.com/docs-alternative-google-docs-notion-france-germany/

You can also volunteer to help translating Docs to other languages here: https://crowdin.com/project/lasuite-docs

#europe #europeanalternatives #germany #france #opensource #BuyFromEU

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There is a video from #FOSDEM where the representatives of ZenDis (German Center for Digital Sovereignty) 🇩🇪 and DINUM (French Interministerial Digital Directorate) 🇫🇷 talk about the project.

- Making Workspaces Work Together (And Across Borders):
https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-6406-making-workspaces-work-together-and-across-borders-/

Alexander Smolianitski, the head of OS products at ZenDis, also participated in two other sessions where he presented the software developed on the German side:

- Note-Worthy Collaboration: Co-developing a Note-Taking Application:
https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-6403-note-worthy-collaboration-co-developing-a-note-taking-application/

- openDesk on openCode: Developing a Secure Office Suite and SDLC:
https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-5572-opendesk-on-opencode-developing-a-secure-office-suite-and-sdlc/

All videos are available for download.

#europeanalternatives #opensource

FOSDEM 2025 - Making Workspaces Work Together (And Across Borders)

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@testman @ueeu Can someone explain what is going on here? openDesk is from the same GErman ZenDIS that is also part of the collaboration advertised above. Is this a case of "the left hand does not know what the right hand does", or do both projects share a code base?
@tobifant @ueeu
OpenDesk is a project that aims to connect / integrate various FOSS projects that could be useful for public administration or any other office.
Docs is a FOSS note-taking platform, which does seem useful for offices.
So hopefully OpenDesk decides to integrate that as well.
@tobifant @ueeu @testman It does look much the same, including the themeing. Maybe one is project and the other is product?
@testman @ueeu exactly... Opendesk should be EU mandatory... We need to reach #msteams feature parity ASAP.
@ueeu I have a question. Why these lovely open source alternatives use GitHub when there is #Codeberg -- a lovely open source alternative to that proprietary Microsoft service?
@qeef Network effect I suppose.
@danielcasanueva @qeef or conformism and lack of awareness ?
@alci @qeef Yeah, there could be some of that too. I guess it depends on each case.
@qeef @ueeu yep, +1
nobody's perfect but there's room for improvment

@qeef I can answer from the perspective of another Free Software project: because github once was the only viable git hosting besides gitorious (which is dead now), it is where you need to be so people find you, and the lock-in effects are strong.

@ueeu

@ArneBab @ueeu I feel with you. It's just hard to me to care about FOSS projects that don't care about FOSS.

@qeef It doesn’t mean that the project does not care about FOSS. It just means that the lock-in effects are so strong that it’s not viable to cut away.

As a painful example: I had to create a github action to sign an executable. Cutting away from github would mean no more signed executables (for at least several months — if the past is an indicator, it would take 18 months in which little else is possible).

I take care to also make repos available outside github, but cannot avoid it.
@ueeu

@ArneBab @ueeu I meant it more like not caring about FOSS ecosystem. Using proprietary tools isn't solution, in my opinion. Nevermind how indispensable these tools look like.

@qeef I fully agree with that. My own code lies safely at https://hg.sr.ht/~arnebab and I would love to move every project over to FLOSS solutions.

But (a) that would lose us at least 30% of our contributors — even more when you count casuals — and (b) I just don’t have the resources to pull it off.

I’m already at the limit of the volunteer time I can spend, so I can’t take on a migration task. And it’s not simply that others can take it up, because there’s lots of non-obvious complexity.
@ueeu

hg.sr.ht

@qeef What we’re working at is to have parallel structures: to not depend on github, because we can take contributions from elsewhere.

We have pretty neat tooling for decentralized collaboration that runs independent of github. The problem is just that most contributions come over github instead.

The one alternative that sometimes works is to accept plain patches via other channels.

@ueeu

@qeef

There's a #GiveUpGitHub [1] discussion for #Mastodon-the-main-branch [2] and a poll [3]. The discussion was originally a bug report, but Mastodon-the-main-branch maintainers didn't see #GAFAM dependence as a bug, despite it being a known vulnerability that will enshittify sooner or later.

[1] https://giveupgithub.org

[2] https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/discussions/27765

[3] https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/discussions/18756

@ArneBab @ueeu

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@ArneBab @qeef @ueeu what about self hosted gitlab ? This is available for a while now ! And giving our code to Microsoft AI seems quite counterproductive...

@alci We’ve gone the self-hosting route, but don’t have the resources for maintenance.

When we last had our own servers, they took up the free time of one volunteer. And once you do that, you have to ensure that this is always available. The upkeep of gitlab is already annoying at work, where I get paid for 37 hours a week. For a hobby with 2-5 hours per week it’s not viable.

One option would be static hosting of the git repo (far lower maintenance cost). But then we have no PRs.

@qeef @ueeu

@ArneBab @alci @ueeu

Exactly that. I even don't try to host my own git or mail service. I don't have time for that.

But everyone can decide about what then, whom to trust.

@ArneBab @alci @qeef @ueeu this is what keeps the SaaS money wheel turning. No more devops and sysadmins on enterprise teams, either. Unless you work at the SaaS company. 😉
@kta @ArneBab @alci @ueeu Sure there are alternatives as self-hosting, but let's keep on topic. I think that it is better to support non-profit SaaS company that provably cares about FOSS than advertising closed plafroms by sharing your project on it.

@kta Do you have the time and will and persistence to migrate and maintain and document our repositories to dgof, or to a server you host for at least the next 10 years?

Or a FLOSS-based FLOSS-friendly platform that we could self-host?

There are a lot of repositories and dependencies on them (e.g. in build tooling and in the fallback-update check):
https://github.com/hyphanet

If you get that working and maintained, we can relegate Github to secondary mirror. I would be happier.
@alci @qeef @ueeu

Hyphanet

A peer-to-peer network for censorship-resistant and privacy-respecting publishing and communication. In practical use since 2000. - Hyphanet

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@ArneBab @kta @alci @ueeu No, I don't, I am sorry.

(I would like to remind that my original post was a reaction to announcement of new alternative to some proprietatry software, being hosted on github.)

And yeah. Let's see what github is in 10 years and how well is aligned with the goals of your project. I am sorry for writing this.

@qeef I’m pretty sure Github will get more awful over the next 10 years and I’m working on making us less dependent on it.

But this just isn’t something that I could do quickly without breaking tons of stuff that we actually need in week-to-week development and releases.

For new tools I see that they need the discoverability, but just having a mirror on github and the main repo elsewhere would provide that, too, without the risk of ever increasing lock-in.

@kta @alci @ueeu

@qeef @ueeu I'd love to switch from github to codeberg but I have to figure out this: 1) I would like people to report issues and those people have github accounts. I don't think I can expect them to create an account on codeberg just to leave a message 2) if someone is looking for open source they will look on github, so I'd be hiding myself, 3) I still publish on npm so I haven't gotten away from microsoft anyway. I want `npm install` to work for everyone.

@paulrosen @ueeu 1) So you ignore bug reports from people not having GitHub accout? There is "login via GitHub" when I last checked Codeberg pages. 2) or they google/duck duck/qwant, maybe? 3) Can't say, I don't npm. But nowadays full URL to git repository usually works.

There are plenty of *whys*. In my experience, who asks *why* does not want. Who wants, asks *how*.

@qeef @paulrosen @ueeu it is like using MS Office instead of LibreOffice for "compatibility" (I'm using OO / LO for decades in a professional context), using IE4 when the web was "optimized for IE", using Windows because... erh, can't find a reason here :-), etc. " be the change you want to see in the world" ! (That said, it's nice to see (even more) FOSS alternatives to Gafam centralized toola.)

@ueeu While you’re at it, have a look at CryptPad: that provides privacy by design and is AGPL-Licensed, so it is free and stays free:

https://cryptpad.org/

And its flaship instance is hosted in France:
https://cryptpad.fr/

#freesoftware

CryptPad.org

End-to-end encrypted collaborative office suite

@ueeu Ich finde es gut, dass es eine weitere Alternative gibt zu Google Docs und co.
@ueeu
"Govs ❤️ Open Source"?
No thank you.
@ueeu Cool, nice to see that the talk about "software independence" was more than just talk :)
The editor looks pretty nice too.
@ueeu Its requirements are hella heavy, though. Enterprisey as hell. The only thing it doesn't have is Java.
@ueeu on GitHub... Come on...
@ueeu sounds like it’s worth trying.
@ueeu I failed to create an account to use these because I didn't have an email in an EU business or academic domain. Am I misunderstanding or is this a requirement? Other than running my own server?
@ueeu The illustrations you posted contained obvious issues a designer would never make for such a simple design (circled in red) so it looked synthetic and ai gen and a tool like https://thehive.ai/demos returned a 1.0 ai_generated which is a strong indice of confidence the media was AI generated... Did you generated your illustrations with AI gen?
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@davidrevoy this illustration is part of the SuiteNumerique project. It was added in this commit:
https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs/commit/8b0f4db650b266970855ac907281d54530511f84

But there's no informationon how it was created.

@ueeu

📝(doc) improve readme.md after v2 update · suitenumerique/docs@8b0f4db

We want to serve as an example of our open source doc best practices. We want people to find out. - Which libraries we support - How they can contribute translations and code

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@davidrevoy

We got the image from their website, we haven't edited it 🙂

@ueeu I wonder about its accessibility (if you know, what I mean). Will definitely test, thank you!
@ueeu do we know to what degree #accessibility was kept in mind while making this?