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Darren Nevares 
So a short infographic I've been working based on the talks I've had over the weekend and when the 5 cups of coffee finally left my body.
bgergely@DarrenNevares nice graphic! I’m wondering how the reasons mentioned would hold up if the mastodon network was 10 times bigger, 100 times bigger, etc. I think some of the resistance towards right wing influence is just due to the culture of indtances, but the federated nature definately helps.
@bgergely0 I think it would have to happen "slowly" and the decentralized nature should hopefully keep the norms of the platform intact.
Roy #EatTheRich Pardee 🇺🇸@DarrenNevares @bgergely0 In theory there could be a kind of parallel universe of RW instances, with extremely limited federation between them & current instances. But I get the sense that the RW is not so unhappy with corporate social media of late.
Love the graphic!
GunChleoc@rpardee @DarrenNevares @bgergely0 There already is a parallel universe of right-wing instances - they're just widely blocked by our corner of the Fediverse.
Lucinek@DarrenNevares Skvělé! Aspoň trochu pohody. Děkuji!
Vel, Velvet, Velveteen@DarrenNevares isn't it the case that truth social has never had federation enabled? They just a fork of mastodon's software but i don't recall there ever being a furor about them federating?
Darwin Woodka@Velveteen @DarrenNevares They basically stole mastodon's software and created their own thing.
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Jo - pièce de résistance@DarrenNevares fantastic. This should be shared more off here!
CavyherdNow if we could just find ways to make the fediverse more inviting to Black & BIPOC folks....
run_atalanta 😷💯@cavyherd @DarrenNevares If only we could get the BIPOC voices to be listened to as they exit the fediverse after being whitesplained that there isn't harassment here.
Or, here's a wild idea: get them listened to •before• they exit, so they can feel safe to •stay•?
Maybe possibly? I don't have the first idea how to do that, sadly....
@cavyherd @DarrenNevares That would be excellent, and a great goal.
So far, the experience has been multiple versions of they tried to alert moderators to the problem, and got diss'd because (white reasons).
I only know this because there are some black fedifolks who will call it out, and not leave, despite the dogpiling and harassment.
I don't know how to fix it either, but I hope by listening and calling out the white 'splaining if I get to see it, I can help.
The chart that started this thread is good, and seems fair, except it's from a majority perspective. The fediverse is left-leaning, but also fairly priviledge-leaning.
Think of it like telling someone who lives in a food desert that they need more organics and freerange foods.. when they can't even get basic fresh and healthy versions.
in short - seek out BIPOC voices that are here now, and listen to what they face. If it's your instance (but not you 😃) perheps helping their situation with the instance admin. can bring good change.
Generally, the exits are after admins of instance that is source of abuse tell the exiting party (part of a different instance) that they don't see any abuse, and won't take any action.
:shrug:. :listen:. :be an ally:
Ian Ramjohn@run_atalanta @cavyherd @DarrenNevares
"The chart that started this thread is good, and seems fair, except it's from a majority perspective. The fediverse is left-leaning, but also fairly privilege-leaning."
Yes, definitely this.
It just occurred to me: are there any good "BIPOC & Marginalized Voices" starter packs out there that we know of?
The Nexus of PrivacyYep. Here's some additional thoughts on how white people can make fedi less toxic for Black people - https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/
@thenexusofprivacy @run_atalanta @DarrenNevares
Oh! Thank you! Will read this after lunch.
@cavyherd Sadly I can only speak to my own experience here as a person of color. Nothing has made me leave the entire fediverse, might have just changed a server or two.
Good on you for protecting yourself, & I'm sorry that's a thing you've had to do.
On of my frustrations as a white person is that I am •sure• there are supremacist shenanigans going on all around me, but for various reasons, are not visible to me. (Or I'm oblivious, which is a state I'm trying to rectify.) (To paraphrase what a favorite old teacher would sometimes say: "Yes, I •am• trying!" 😉)
Male GoddessNah, we don't want those types here, they ruin a lot of things.
cheetah_spottycat@DarrenNevares I accidently read one of the points as "Defenestration Power".
Mei Lin 
@cheetah_spottycat @DarrenNevares
Technically not wrong... Though technically only used in Prague. ;)
Technically not wrong... Though technically only used in Prague. ;)
Troed Sångberg@DarrenNevares I think it's great, where it's that simple to divide people into "left" and "right" and know who the good guys are.
Unfortunately in some countries it means we attract fewer good people, since they simply don't consider themselves to be "left". I use Sweden as an example, where a lot of our parties "to the right" are to the left of the US democrats. I would not be able to share this graph here :(
Would you be open to others making modifications so that it's suitable for their audiences? I think just replacing "left leaning" with "liberal" would do the job here.
@troed Yeah, you have full control to modify or edit it.
+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
Vixens (Back to Smut reading)@DarrenNevares only thing I see missing, is that there is also the moderation option of blocking single users server wide to prevent propaganda from harming the community while not limiting valuable content from servers
@OmegaVixens Yes, I had something similar in an early draft of the infographic but had to cut a few lines out to flow a bit easier.
But thank you, I'll include it in a different infographic that has more space for bullet points.
But thank you, I'll include it in a different infographic that has more space for bullet points.
william.maggosimo you're overthinking it. few even slightly right survive on mainstream fedi because none of the major servers will federate with a server with such users. so those users/servers either become part of the separate fedi (jerk fedi) dominated by assholes who want to bother people and should not be allowed to, or they go to X, truth etc.
I want a more politically diverse fedi. that will require moderation to focus only on abusive tagging, not saying bad or untrue things.
Katze von Schrott@DarrenNevares it... doesnt tho? most non far right instances just block them and they are quite isolated from the rest, but nazi fedi unfortunately does very much exist
@schrottkatze They definitely exist, but it's harder for their influence to spread to the more popular instances or even most of the non far-right instances.
Which is different than centralized social media that practically encourages the discourse and engagement so they get more profit even at the expense of their users.
I tried to be more broad with the infographic because it is posted on several other social media platforms.
Marc@DarrenNevares maybe „fails on the #fediverse“ is more accurate.
Apart from that, excellent content! Thank you!
Apart from that, excellent content! Thank you!
ejim@DarrenNevares it fails in your bei bubble, but there are big right wing instances. Mastodons design encourages a bad discourse and the creation of bubbles.
Mike Fraser@DarrenNevares I'm with you but number four might be a little shaky. One criticism of Mastodon in general is that it wasn't very welcoming of black Twitter during the great migration. The gate keeper culture here can get pretty militant.
not a martian, honest@mike @DarrenNevares I think it wasn't just the gatekeeper culture, but the federation model also made that a lot of shit black users had to deal with wasn't seen by anyone in their own defederated bubbles.
meaning unless directly pointed out they didn't have to deal with it.
meaning unless directly pointed out they didn't have to deal with it.
Karl Heinz Häsliprinz@DarrenNevares I don't think you can call gab and truth social "failures" just because our instances don't federate with them. Once threds and bluesky do, our little world here becomes the tiny minoriry and the fascists got the vastly larger social network running on the very same protocols and technologies.
Linda Woodrow
Exa 
@DarrenNevares Can you make a version with a Creative Commons license (e.g. CC-BY or CC-BY-SA with the latest version available) and your attribution included in the bottom? Easier to share more globally that way.
@DarrenNevares I am also willing to translate it in French in those same conditions.
@Exagone313 Here is link to the Creative Commons full resolution image
https://nextcloud.xfire.to/s/Q3CRypLBpn6B7CM
https://nextcloud.xfire.to/s/Q3CRypLBpn6B7CM
@DarrenNevares What are the fonts used? I'm not a professional typesetter but I want to make something clean.
@Exagone313 OPTIAlternateThree (title)
Mardoto (Header)
Agrandir (Bullet points)
Bobby Jones Condensed (Link Description)
Horizon (Links)
Johanna Janhonen@DarrenNevares thanks! I embedded it to my blog post about #Fediverse .
https://piilotettuaarre.blogspot.com/2025/03/hajautetut-somepalvelut-ratkaisevat.html
https://piilotettuaarre.blogspot.com/2025/03/hajautetut-somepalvelut-ratkaisevat.html
NaClKnight 🧂⚔️🥊@DarrenNevares
#4 is underselling it.
"Tech savvy" is an understatement.
"Privacy focused" is an understatement.
Those two "cultural barriers" also serve to keep out tons of regular, non rw people.
Dr. Sobek@DarrenNevares Though, while the wider fediverse is somewhat efficient at cleaning up the far right, it is worth noting that some far right social networks, such as Gab, iirc, are actually mastodon instances too (except degenerated from anyone reasonable).
Glenn@DarrenNevares Nah, hell no! They just can't figure out how to sign up.
Charles ☭ is now tooting from queer.partyCan I ask what the copyright is on this image?
@celesteh The full picture is here with the CC BY-SA 4.0 on it
https://nextcloud.xfire.to/s/Q3CRypLBpn6B7CM
https://nextcloud.xfire.to/s/Q3CRypLBpn6B7CM
Thank you. It's a great image for how things *should* work for normal users.
Oregon Pacifist 
@DarrenNevares for what it's worth, I'm aware of a handful of right-wing instances that get good interaction on the fediverse.
You also mention Gab being shut down from federation as if that means it's somehow defeated. On the contrary, it's bigger than the vast majority of individual fediverse instances.
Tertle950 - Scrolling WMs da best@DarrenNevares @Oregon_Pacifist Yeah, Gab was big before they tried (and decided against) federating. Mostly 'cause of the conservative Big Tech panic about Twitter, when Trump was first banned. That was a big day for business...
Since Elon bought Twitter, does anyone still use Gab?
Also, the far-right instances tend to talk amonst themselves. They're sorta in their own bubble. The fact that this is possible makes Fedi, on a systematic level, an interesting mix between moderation and "free speech". IMO this is better than ultra-free-speech protocols that makes dodging moderation easy--hilariously, Bluesky's ATproto seems to position itself like this...of all platforms...
Because Fedi is largely regarded as an alternative to The Other Socials, the bubbles that this decentralized moderation creates... they tend to consist of those afraid of The Big Platforms for one reason or another.
So Fedi is mostly just a mix of techies (like myself) who find the concept itself appealing, and the politically extreme who might get banned from corporate-controlled platforms. The latter group comes in all flavors, and they're usually the ones that are "being difficult", let's say...
Since Elon bought Twitter, does anyone still use Gab?
Also, the far-right instances tend to talk amonst themselves. They're sorta in their own bubble. The fact that this is possible makes Fedi, on a systematic level, an interesting mix between moderation and "free speech". IMO this is better than ultra-free-speech protocols that makes dodging moderation easy--hilariously, Bluesky's ATproto seems to position itself like this...of all platforms...
Because Fedi is largely regarded as an alternative to The Other Socials, the bubbles that this decentralized moderation creates... they tend to consist of those afraid of The Big Platforms for one reason or another.
So Fedi is mostly just a mix of techies (like myself) who find the concept itself appealing, and the politically extreme who might get banned from corporate-controlled platforms. The latter group comes in all flavors, and they're usually the ones that are "being difficult", let's say...
Heliograph@DarrenNevares this is pretty pretty ☺️ thankyou very much
Nicolas Delsaux@DarrenNevares would love to have an out-of-fediverse url for that infographic
@Riduidel You could download it here, https://nextcloud.xfire.to/s/Q3CRypLBpn6B7CM
Also on my Bluesky account here,
https://bsky.app/profile/darrennevares.bsky.social/post/3lk3ekr3ylk2d
rpattiewilliams@DarrenNevares great infographic! Thanks!
@DarrenNevares Well, in regard to point 2: Obviously Mastodon encourages actively to censorship and 'teaches' the inability to think and judge individually - I'm an ideology-denier by definition - but concerning _ a l l _ kinds of ideology! People ecouraging non-personal responsibility belong clearly to those who deny any further development (in German: Ewig-Gestrige).
@DarrenNevares And point 5 clearly and unambiguously contradict point 1 strongly... This said: According to my knowledge there is NO neutral social network available world-wide and Mastodon surly will _ n e v e r _ be the first one.
@DarrenNevares well, most "right wing" or alt-wing federated instances run on Plemora instead of Mastodon. And just because left-shit run instances block all instances with alternative viewpoints, doesn't mean that they don't exist, it just means that you've blocked enough to have a safe space.
Also, you mention Gab and Truth social, neither of which are federated.