Muss das sein.@wackJackle @EUCommission You were faster, because that were the exact first words that came to my mind!
Dear comission, go fuck yourself!
João Costa 💚🇵🇹🇪🇺🇬🇧🇺🇦
Weltzeitgeist@joaocosta @jnfrd @EUCommission Have you lived under a rock for the last 15+ years and haven't seen what the EU commission normally stands for in all this time but suddenly there's money? Second: It's the EU commission, they have no power to give 820 billion euros to the military industrial complex so what the fuck is she talking about?
Sorry guys, you lost me there. Why is unlocking funds and loans to urgently investing in defence a bad thing when the US has turned soviet and the russians are at our gate armed to their teeth?
@joaocosta @jnfrd @EUCommission Because it contradicts everything they did over the last 15+ years. For some reason they seem to think the climate catastrophe or poverty don't need this. Furthermore it's the EU Commission which cannot do this. Please elaborate where this unlocking of funds and loans should happen?
What did the EU Commission as part of the famous Troika do in Greece? Don't you all remember? They can go fuck themself all day long!
TobiWanKenobiIt's still a fact that we have a fascist country with wet imperial dreams standing at our Eastern flank while armed to the teeth, grinding its way through Ukraine, so something has to be done one way or another.
You're right, however, that they should disown the rich and wealthy to fund this and also work on other issues like poverty and climate protection at the same time. But you really cannot expect that to happen, seeing how most of the EU members states are plutocracies where money nobility calls the shots.
@TobiWanKenobi @joaocosta @jnfrd @EUCommission That's my point. Exactly. I don't argue against some military spending but I won't publicly argue for them because I will never go to war for these capitalist bourgeois nation states myself, so I certainly won't say publicly that I think it's good if others have to do it. That would be shameless. So that's that.
@wackJackle @TobiWanKenobi @joaocosta @EUCommission this.
Also. Russia is making no real progress in Ukraine so I doubt they can invade someone else right now.
That does not mean I’m against giving Ukraine the weapons they need.
Ukraine is stopping russian advances because they have been fighting them since 2014, and have an army of 800,000 soldiers, massive innovative defence industry producing millions of drones, missiles, robots etc, deliveries from 50 different countries, and a strong president, a united parliament and society willing to sacrifice themselves for their children's freedom.
Most countries in Europe have none of that, are weak and would fall. Wake up.
Justin@joaocosta they have a different threat model than the rest of the EU. @jnfrd @wackJackle @TobiWanKenobi @EUCommission
@justin
That's right. But threat models won't stop an attack when is upon us. Only hard power will. And that's why we need to get the European defence at a level that matches the threat we face. All we have to do is look at the numbers in this war to realise how far behind and unprepared we are. The very fact that heavily sanctioned, isolated North Korea can produce and supply more ammo to russia than the whole of NATO combined should wake us up.