Charles Nantwich
Kees van der LeunTiktok, by Nick Anderson.
I'm sure Trump's friends could find the billions to buy it for him. I'm not so sure China's government would want to let that happen.
Torger Åge Sinnes@Sustainable2050 The latter also apply to guns... 🤨
chrisvp@Sustainable2050 so sadly true.
Sunflower Björnskalle 🌻@Sustainable2050 America never had democracy and all Americans know that and that's why they don't give a shit. You can't keep the democracy you don't have using the democracy you don't have. 😁
@apodoxus They'll know the difference pretty soon.
@Sustainable2050 No they won't. 😁 Shit always always always gets worse no matter what they do. That's how they know they don't have democracy and that's why some people vote for Trump.
Misuse Case@Sustainable2050 @apodoxus There were lots of Americans on here saying we don’t have a democracy, we’re already fascist, etc. in the months before the election, but they’ve all gone quiet now, except for whoever this person is.
Mx Verda@MisuseCase Survivorship bias, maybe? The specifics don't really matter now, but more generally, none of us are safe until all of us are.
You can't blame others in an effort to actually protect yourself. You get a comfort blanket from a momentary boost in feeling superior, but that fades in the face of the actualised risks later.
MėMėNTō MōRi📍🇪🇺🇩🇪I think they will and won't at the same time.
I fact, when deportation and martial actions come up, one half of the trumpists being real fascists will say: "That's good!" (like in Germany 1933), and the other just dumb half will be whining and pretending: "We did not know!".
Angela@apodoxus @Sustainable2050
That's a fair point. We are merely losing the illusion of democracy.
I thought more people would care about that. This is really solid logic though. About to be an interesting decade.
That's a fair point. We are merely losing the illusion of democracy.
I thought more people would care about that. This is really solid logic though. About to be an interesting decade.
@PocketPixi @Sustainable2050 Exactly. You get it.
@PocketPixi @Sustainable2050 Remember, bread and circuses. Sometimes, not even bread, just bigger and louder circuses.
Kropotkinson (we are all 🇵🇸)A lot of people would agree with me when I state that America did not have much of a democracy to begin with.
I would be more concerned about the lack of democratizing reforms than the loss of some perception of democracy.
RT Whiting@Sustainable2050 Sad but true. The foundation of the perceived freedoms in the Corporate USA has been crumbling for some time.
Historically one should look at this ban as a slight of hand. Something else is in the works to dismantle the illusion of American freedom while TikTok is being banned. The art of distracting the masses is a favorite past time of politicians in the US.
Historically one should look at this ban as a slight of hand. Something else is in the works to dismantle the illusion of American freedom while TikTok is being banned. The art of distracting the masses is a favorite past time of politicians in the US.
Cogito Ergo Disputo@buckthemonstertruck @Sustainable2050 I thought the illusion of freedom was exactly what "they'd" like to maintain at all costs.
@Disputatore @Sustainable2050 True. There are many who are beginning to realize that they've been lied too for far too long. TikTok may have had it's downsides, yet it was still a way for people to share the truth of what is going in the USA that mainstream media doesn't show. All those Trump supporters woukd seem to have forgotten that it was Trump that shut down TikTok in 2020. I don't align with either political party as to me they are both controlled opposition working on the same team.
@buckthemonstertruck @Sustainable2050 sharing people's perceived realities is possible in all the platforms. I don't think that was ever the problem with TikTok. There are a bunch of problems with TikTok which are common to most other social networks. The specific claimed problem of TikTok was that it was collecting personal data, not for an American owned conglomerate, like all others, but for the CCP.
@buckthemonstertruck @Sustainable2050 and there was also the suspicion, maybe it has been proven, I don't know, that the algorithm which decides what to show to whom was also serving that same master. I have no idea if that is true or not.
@Disputatore @Sustainable2050 I don't that either.
Vitex
Rodrigo Pio@Sustainable2050 in a way, the TikTok ban is a wake up call. Those in power, they're not even trying to hide it anymore. Maybe Americans are absolutely right to freak out about it. God, I live in Europe, I've never used TikTok and I'm concerned about it... Shouldn't we all? What does it mean to the world if the greatest military global superpower becomes a openly dictatorial regime (but with a different, likeable self-description, of course)?
xs4me2The stupification of humanity…
@xs4me2 no one is stupid, only inexperienced and distracted by pain. Actions can be stupid, but only in view of a given perspective. @Sustainable2050
Yes, and I did not say that…
@xs4me2 ah, good! Not sure who 'humanity' is then, but I'm glad you don't have that kind of inaccurate perspective. @Sustainable2050
Look around you and you will experience various specimen of humans that make up humanity.
Tools, like TikTok are just tools, but the way they are dictated to us by big tech and untransparant algorithms is highly worrying. And the shortening of attention span that we see in the current media, living in the moment, is the stupefaction I mention. It is in fact manipulation. Bread and games…
This needs to change. And it can, our choice…
@xs4me2 so then... you both did and did *not* imply that anyone is stupid.
But anyway. on your capital-overreach reply, we can fully agree. Let's cut our losses here. Have a nice day. @Sustainable2050
You should read and contemplate on what I said more carefully…
Try to thick less black and white… the world is like that…
Have a nice day.
@Sustainable2050 Why is this so accurate and nobody here cares?!
@PocketPixi
It is not accurate, and people do care.
https://lgbtqia.space/@MxVerda/113854986768112456
https://lgbtqia.space/@MxVerda/113854996311323865 @Sustainable2050
Mx Verda (@[email protected])
@[email protected] yes? People will react when they understand the impact of risks. And People will not react strongly when they do not understand the impact of risks. You need to understand stimuli before you can respond appropriately. Which means using communication to forewarn each new generation. There is no one better than anyone else, smarter than anyone else, or more protected from negative impacts by punching down. No one.
@MxVerda @Sustainable2050
Felt pretty accurate to me. I've seen this scenario play out all around me.
It's a little weird to discredit the perspectives / experiences of others because you disagree.
Felt pretty accurate to me. I've seen this scenario play out all around me.
It's a little weird to discredit the perspectives / experiences of others because you disagree.
@PocketPixi Alright, accurate or not, it's surface-level as hell, and the implication is that the reader is not or should not be doing what is depicted, yes?
Which means the predicted audience is people who understand themselves as not included in the comic. Yes?
Which means either an implicit endorsement of not doing the depicted thing by not being self-recognisable as doing the thing -- or what?
I know I'm almost 3 weeks into an asthma attack here but
I do not begin to understand wtf else possible message could be in or about
these contrasting panels on americans' responses to their risk of losing either
[democracy: distant, unclear, labyrinthine, misstated, underpublicised, unequal, conflated, underprotected, misunderstood...]
versus
[tiktok, a specific app: experienced, personal, familiar, accessible, clear impacts, perceived clarity of risk-reward ratio, regular use, multifaceted uses, well-known if not well-understood, overpublicised, ...].
You know what? I'm sure it is weird. Sure.
@Sustainable2050
@MxVerda @Sustainable2050
No, no, I definitely understood that you don't really get it. Thank you for expanding, though.
No, no, I definitely understood that you don't really get it. Thank you for expanding, though.
@PocketPixi uh ok. Enlighten me then. Or don't, since you had opportunity by now to clearly explain the obvious thing or things I am missing. @Sustainable2050
@MxVerda @Sustainable2050
I missed where that was my job. You've said quite a bit without actually saying anything coherent or making a point. I could quote you bit by bit and you could explain yourself if you want.
Plenty of people agreed with this comic (that I didn't draw) and / or related to it. A little wild that you're coming after me about it.
Is there possibly more going on in your life and it's not really about this comic (that you don't get) at all?
@MxVerda @Sustainable2050
"Alright, accurate or not, it's surface-level as hell, and the implication is that the reader is not or should not be doing what is depicted, yes?
Which means the predicted audience is people who understand themselves as not included in the comic. "Quoting
Which is it? An implication that the reader is not (which means is not doing the thing) or should not be (which means they are doing it)
It's unlikely that the comic displays both ideas.
"Alright, accurate or not, it's surface-level as hell, and the implication is that the reader is not or should not be doing what is depicted, yes?
Which means the predicted audience is people who understand themselves as not included in the comic. "Quoting
Which is it? An implication that the reader is not (which means is not doing the thing) or should not be (which means they are doing it)
It's unlikely that the comic displays both ideas.
Zoidberg For President@Sustainable2050 Ahahah that's funny, because america never WAS a democracy to begin with... :p
Kenner@Sustainable2050 same thing
@Sustainable2050 yes? People will react when they understand the impact of risks. And People will not react strongly when they do not understand the impact of risks.
You need to understand stimuli before you can respond appropriately. Which means using communication to forewarn each new generation.
There is no one better than anyone else, smarter than anyone else, or more protected from negative impacts by punching down. No one.
JanPV@Sustainable2050 And the sheer relief and adulation waiting for Trump as he reinstates it all.
What a hero! FACT!
Tom from Europe@Sustainable2050 Give them bread & circusess
and they will never revolt.
Mike Harvison@Sustainable2050 the drafter of that cartoon is comically unaware of the connection between the two.
Sally Strange@Sustainable2050 it's sad how many foreigners don't understand that American democracy lasted roughly from 1965 to 1980
Mike
Robot Diver 🌊🌬️🍃🌿🌸🌱🌱🌱Less viral dance crazes, more Sheldon Wolin. Or maybe viral dance crazes about Sheldon Wolin.
Michael Wehle@RobotDiver @Sustainable2050
I for one would enjoy seeing a video of a robot diver Sheldon Wolin dance.
I for one would enjoy seeing a video of a robot diver Sheldon Wolin dance.
pettter@Sustainable2050 How much do you think the general person in the US experiences of 'democracy', not only in their daily lives, but on the very circumscribed days where they are allowed to be even a minor part of any sort of real decisionmaking process?
Walter van Holst@pettter @Sustainable2050 About as much as they recognise any meaningful positive govenrmental services in their life. People overlook infrastructure, education etc, just like they overlook the democracy that is *there*, flawed as it is.
Nan
Anya Tikhomirova@Sustainable2050 dark ages coming back.
Christopher Burton@Sustainable2050 Religion might be the opiate of the masses, but social media definitely is.
Glenn@Sustainable2050 It's Democracy versus towel drops... obvious really.
Rozzychan@Sustainable2050
To me, the craze is not so much losing an app, as knowing the other apps are just as bad on data but they won't ban them because they're in their pockets.
Governments should ban policies, not apps
. Make it illegal for algorithms to target political ads at people why don't you? Make it illegal to track your location, or read your phone's contacts.
Tiktok paying for Trump's party says laws are for sale.
Tinker ☀️@Sustainable2050 - As if the two occurrences are separate. Some Boomer Humor in this cartoon and the replies here.
Luc 
Ryek DarkenerPriorities. Always.
DanDan420@Sustainable2050 You think Americans are asleep because they didn't vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo? More likely is that they simply didn't have anyone to vote for that would save democracy. The Democrats have been asleep at the wheel for the past four years giving Trump everything he needed to win.
Oh, and banning TikTok was a bipartisan effort.
Oh, and banning TikTok was a bipartisan effort.
THIS IS SO GREAT‼️😆
YourShadowDani@Sustainable2050 Tiktok was the Bread and Circus for many Americans this is not shocking unless you were not paying attention
Ruby S.@Sustainable2050 Our democracy was long gone. Citizens United was probably the final nail in the coffin.