pixelfedOpen Letter to Mark Zuckerberg
Bryan 🏳️🌈 Pixelfed
Cuteroll, autistic transgender otter@pixelfed wasnt facebook at first something to rate campus girls or sth
Wilfried Klaebe@ctrl https://pluralistic.net/2023/08/06/fool-me-twice-we-dont-get-fooled-again/: »Facebook, a cancer of a company founded to nonconsenually rate the fuckability of Harvard undergrads (incredibly, that was Facebook’s least terrible moment. It actually got worse after that)«
Strange Culprits
:ulfr:
Mark Corbett Wilson
Adam Piggott@ctrl To paraphrase: "They're giving us all this personal information for free. Fucking morons."
Jordan (has moved)@proactiveservices @ctrl This. Right. Here.
I mean, I've said and done plenty of immature shit when I was young, too.
I DO think about the good things he's done, like integrating pgp support into fb, open sourcing llama.. But shit like this just means the overall company culture still needs to grow up and learn how to be better on a fundamental level.
Of course, when your corp is legally tied to maximizing profits FIRST, what can you do?
I wonder what his actual feelings are on the matter
@lns @proactiveservices sure rating girls was immature shit
they kinda did a lot more later on, like enabling a fucking genocide, so regardless of the few lil good things they do, i am convinced they are evil to the core and than meta should be destroyed
they kinda did a lot more later on, like enabling a fucking genocide, so regardless of the few lil good things they do, i am convinced they are evil to the core and than meta should be destroyed
@lns @proactiveservices also they created react which is unforgivable
Panicz Maciej Godek
Frank Heijkamp@pixelfed Well worded.
gergo@pixelfed maybe he can carve out some time from his busy trump inauguration party organising schedule to read it 🤪
Leefeller Guy@gergolippai @pixelfed Between fucking the ostrich and kissing the orange anus Zuckerberg is busy, probably will not read it.
muž s klapkami na očíchDid he reply yet?
endeavorance 🕊️
Spark Purcell (they/them)@endeavorance @pixelfed nice... would've been better to end it with "dumb fuck" but... cool...
Jules 🍺
Paul Shryock@pixelfed "Remember when Facebook started? It was about rating women."
Fixed it for you.
gameRevolt@pixelfed this is great but Zuck’s early “dumb fucks” comment highlighted his real attitude
Herr Voeglein🎗️
xs4me2
Sofasophia@pixelfed
Deutsche Übersetzung:
»Lieber Mark,
Ich hoffe, es geht Ihnen gut. Mir ist heute etwas Interessantes aufgefallen - es scheint, dass Instagram Links zu meinem kleinen Open-Source-Projekt blockiert. Sie wissen schon, die, die es Menschen ermöglicht, Fotos zu teilen, ohne ihre persönlichen Daten zu sammeln oder algorithmische Feeds auf sie zu erzwingen.
Ich muss zugeben, ich fühle mich geschmeichelt. Wer hätte gedacht, dass ein kleines Team von Freiwilligen etwas aufbauen könnte, das Ihre Aufmerksamkeit auf sich ziehen würde? Wir versuchen nur, den Menschen die Wahl zu geben, wie sie ihre Erinnerungen online teilen. Keine VCs, kein Überwachungskapitalismus, nur Code und Gemeinschaft.
Weißt du noch, wann Facebook gestartet wurde? Es ging darum, Menschen zu verbinden, nicht um die Interaktionsmetriken zu maximieren. Unser Projekt mag im Vergleich zu Instagram winzig sein, aber wir bleiben dem ursprünglichen Geist der sozialen Medien treu - Menschen die Kontrolle über ihre Online-Präsenz zu geben, ohne sie in Produkte zu verwandeln.
Du hättest uns ignorieren können. Stattdessen haben Sie uns durch das Blockieren unserer Links die beste Unterstützung gegeben, die wir uns wünschen konnten. Sie haben bestätigt, was wir die ganze Zeit gesagt haben - dass Big Tech mehr daran interessiert ist, ihre ummauerten Gärten zu schützen, als echte Innovationen zu fördern.
Jedes Mal, wenn Sie einen Link zu unserer Plattform blockieren, erinnern Sie die Leute daran, warum wir ihn überhaupt erstellt haben. Ihr Handeln sagt ihnen, dass es Alternativen gibt, die es wert sind, untersucht zu werden, die ihre Privatsphäre und Handlungsfähigkeit respektieren. Also danke, Mark. Sie haben unser kleines Projekt in ein Symbol des Widerstands gegen digitale Monopole verwandelt.«
(Maschinell übersetzt)
Deutsche Übersetzung:
»Lieber Mark,
Ich hoffe, es geht Ihnen gut. Mir ist heute etwas Interessantes aufgefallen - es scheint, dass Instagram Links zu meinem kleinen Open-Source-Projekt blockiert. Sie wissen schon, die, die es Menschen ermöglicht, Fotos zu teilen, ohne ihre persönlichen Daten zu sammeln oder algorithmische Feeds auf sie zu erzwingen.
Ich muss zugeben, ich fühle mich geschmeichelt. Wer hätte gedacht, dass ein kleines Team von Freiwilligen etwas aufbauen könnte, das Ihre Aufmerksamkeit auf sich ziehen würde? Wir versuchen nur, den Menschen die Wahl zu geben, wie sie ihre Erinnerungen online teilen. Keine VCs, kein Überwachungskapitalismus, nur Code und Gemeinschaft.
Weißt du noch, wann Facebook gestartet wurde? Es ging darum, Menschen zu verbinden, nicht um die Interaktionsmetriken zu maximieren. Unser Projekt mag im Vergleich zu Instagram winzig sein, aber wir bleiben dem ursprünglichen Geist der sozialen Medien treu - Menschen die Kontrolle über ihre Online-Präsenz zu geben, ohne sie in Produkte zu verwandeln.
Du hättest uns ignorieren können. Stattdessen haben Sie uns durch das Blockieren unserer Links die beste Unterstützung gegeben, die wir uns wünschen konnten. Sie haben bestätigt, was wir die ganze Zeit gesagt haben - dass Big Tech mehr daran interessiert ist, ihre ummauerten Gärten zu schützen, als echte Innovationen zu fördern.
Jedes Mal, wenn Sie einen Link zu unserer Plattform blockieren, erinnern Sie die Leute daran, warum wir ihn überhaupt erstellt haben. Ihr Handeln sagt ihnen, dass es Alternativen gibt, die es wert sind, untersucht zu werden, die ihre Privatsphäre und Handlungsfähigkeit respektieren. Also danke, Mark. Sie haben unser kleines Projekt in ein Symbol des Widerstands gegen digitale Monopole verwandelt.«
(Maschinell übersetzt)
Numeric Citizen@pixelfed I like this a lot.
Mudlark@pixelfed this reads like somebody with maturity issues wrote it. Also at least export the thing into a pdf first, the squiggly lines and text cursor are still visible 
More importantly, Zuckerberg didn’t build Facebook because he believed in anything, at least not anything good - initially the project was to rate college girls on their appearances
PaUwUleYou a very true about your observations…
Just found out that people finally started to speak out about these issues.
https://dansup-open-letter.github.io/
Santosh
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Abazigal
Sally Strange@pixelfed "it was about connecting people" Uh huh, specifically sexist, usually male people, so that they could more easily objectify women. Kissass
Amici Is Me 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇳🇴True about the origin of the app, but I really don't think it's meant as an actual compliment.
"connecting people" is what Meta employees tell themselves. Daniel is speaking to the ego of the Meta bosses, the story they tell about themselves, to their lower ranks, and to the rest of the world.
The fact that Meta blocks opportunities to connect therefore goes in the face of the story they tell themselves and to others.
It would've been cooler if he told the true story though, it would've been more devastating, and set Pixelfed apart much more.
I'd call that a very strong character accusation. It's a valid complaint that he missed the actual origins, but I would not venture so far in characterizing a person, if it's based off a single mocking letter.
@amici @pixelfed nah man, you can't look at structural bigotry through the lens of personal character. If the letter writer is unaware of FB's sexist origins, that means they're not tuned into even the most basic of feminist information sources, which means they're marinating in the same background misogyny that we all are. It's easily remedied and it doesn't mean they, personally, hate women--but it's still sexism.
Daniel Django 
(Akkoma)@pixelfed Supernault is a pretty cool name.
Lazou
TopKnot
Mieszko Ślusarczyk@pixelfed It was never about connecting people, it was always about „engagement”.
Asta McCarthy
Scarlett
Topio e.V. - space for privacy
TeflonTrout 
he/him@pixelfed No surveillance capitalism*
*but it still owns everything that gets posted there in every way, shape, and form to use however Dan sees fit, forever.
Please work on that terms of service
The Creative Voice@pixelfed loving the new web interface btw. (The dark mode 😍)
Mia Hawkins@pixelfed 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
n x i z
Leonard Schiff@pixelfed I don't think facebook was ever about "connecting people" though ^^
NagaramBased. Fuck Meta
John Mierau@pixelfed @paul_e_cooley unfortunately, intentionally or accidentally. Dan is following Elon's 'move fast and break things' mentality.
He's doing great things for fediverse visibility... but being a one man show leads to getting your ego involved or missing things (like Loops' egregious rights over-reach in its TOS).
Dan's done a lot of good... I just hope he can avoid an Icarus-style crash and burn that could undo a lot of that good.
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I’ve seen my fair share myself - tried to contribute to this project… But yeah quite impossible.
Just found out people finally started to speak out about these wider problem(s)
Ю ⁂@pixelfed I believe texts get better when we step aside for a few cycles and not let ourselves be driven by the highness of attention. Zuckerberg has never been what you describe. There is no grassroots moral origin we could jumpstart in the back of his memory. It is historically evident that Facebook, later meta has frequently chosen the unethical paths when they had choice to. There is no ancient ideal to appeal to. No renaissance can happen.
Susan Ville@pixelfed Dreamers.
Amy Rodman@pixelfed great letter! Rooting for you all the way!! A couple of years after I started NadaMoo, I got a cold call from the retired director of sales for Ben and Jerry’s. “Your product has ‘legs’” he said, “and I want to help.” No threats from lawyers followed. Because Ben and Jerry got it right: equity, sustainability and community can be the pillars of successful businesses. They were not in my niche market, but they still cared about the people in my niche market.
Waitwut
Cairo Braga [toot]@pixelfed this "open letter" is embarassing... to Pixelfed.
"connecting people"? Facebook was created to predate on women and use their data without their consent!!! it was NEVER about connecting people, it was always about misogyny, ego and money.
Lars
Transcedental
Kate Nyhan is changing servers@pixelfed
"without harvesting their personal data"?
Maybe someone should tell the lawyers who drafted the Loops TOS that :)
https://bajsicki.com/blog/loops-video-terms/
"without harvesting their personal data"?
Maybe someone should tell the lawyers who drafted the Loops TOS that :)
https://bajsicki.com/blog/loops-video-terms/
loops.video - phil@bajsicki:~$
Been a while. I’ve mostly been posting on the Fedi, but I feel like this is a rather important topic that requires attention. Recently @dansup has been posting a bunch about loops.video, a federated alternative to Instagram/ TikTok. While I agree that an open, free and federated alternative to these platforms is necessary, I am consistently finding myself questioning the intentions encoded in their Terms of Service. Before going further, I’ll clarify: loops.video is not currently federating, but federation is planned using the ActivityPub protocol. If it does happen, and the ToS isn’t properly adjusted, it will cause problems.