@dec_hl I tried a few alternatives lately (mostly forks of Firefox, the Google shit is too deeply ingrained in any of the chromium based alternatives) and they were all worse in terms of basic functionality (getting shit done).

So I'm back to Firefox as the least worst option (disabling stuff I don't want and making sure it doesn't re-enable itself after an update). If they ever make it impossible to disable stuff then I may accept I have no choice but to jump ship.

@dec_hl there's limited choice in browser engines. Most aal are chrome and gecko based. Alternatives are being developed though with Servo https://servo.org/ and Ladybird https://ladybird.org/. These are not mature enough though for regular usage. You could check https://alternativeto.net/ for various alternative browsers using the mainstream chrome and gecko engines.

#ladybird #servo #browser

@dec_hl there are lots of Chrome and Firefox forks that remove the crap. None of them are clear winners with critical mass at this time, so you'll want to survey them yourself and see which - if any - fit your needs.

Edit: For what it's worth, I'm currently using Firefox fork Floorp on Windows, and it seems decent.

@dec_hl Unless you're willing to make do with forks of the former with more or less the same problems.. basically unobtanium yes. You could try something like Zen browser (haven't tried myself but heard others like it), but that's a Firefox fork, so if Firefox truly goes down the drain, so does it, too.

I personally don't find Firefox slow though honestly, except maybe if you're browsing websites like Youtube that insert sleep cycles to make Firefox appear slow- try spoofing your user agent :P

@dec_hl
I would at this point present Pale Moon to the jury, which uses the old Gecko (now Goanna) engine...

It probably fail one of the points though not sure which one.

@dec_hl There is so sooooooooo much bullshit, #FUD & outright lies being spread about #Firefox lately. Don't want #AI in it? Fine, simply keep the setting disabled [as i do]. Don't want to be involved in the weirdarse ads thing mozilla did a few months ago? Fine, also keep that setting disabled [as i do]. Maybe Firefox will cease to be if gargle is forced to stop funding Firefox Search? Ok, if/when that happens, it would be time to find another browser, but it has not happened yet & might not happen at all, so running away screaming with hands waving in the air now, as many seem to advocate, is stupid.

My daily browsing experience continues to be magnificent with  #FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar [for #WebPanels].

 #Floorp 11 was nice to use for a while, but its replacement 12 is months late with minimal public info easily found.

 #ZenBrowser recently progressed from Alpha to Beta status, but i stopped using it several weeks ago in frustration at the wild swings in browser design the Dev keeps trying. Certainly though it will be worthwhile revisiting once it reaches Stable phase.

Personally i will never ever use Chrome under any circumstances, only occasionally launch Chromium under sufferance, abandoned Vivaldi a couple of years ago, & also dislike Brave... so if the day does ever arise when FF is no more, the remaining choice will be odious indeed.