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So what I took down the entire Icelandic power grid generating a wallpaper. 4k Moopsy wallpapers don't generate themselves, ya know
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πͺπΊ Paul Schoonhoven ππ@catsalad @ReneDamkot that's the reason why I speeded up my efforts to move away from Android on my phone. (Years ago I moved from Microsoft to Linux already)
Part is the AI story.
The rest is the datagrab and also the unnecessary large use of resources (power & memory) to do the tasks at hand. Linux runs pretty well on 'old' windowmachines and the same seems with alternative OSs on Android phones.
Azarilhβ₯@vosje62 Apple does the same. They also have AI which needs data to be fed.
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β@catsalad I think this is blown out of proportion, especially considering that genAI models for image generation aren't that big and can run on consumer grade hardware.
Piko Starsider 
@starsider Yes, but my point is that this prompt is kind of blowing unrelated things out of proportion. An image at this sort of size wouldn't even take a second on a 4090, meaning the amount of energy consumed is going to be pretty low.
@tofu Yes, but we should keep all costs in mind. If there's a high enough demand of local models there will be also demand for online services and for training new models. Making AI art should be frowned upon, and this is just one of the reasons.
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Dgar@catsalad it probably wonβt be the full ten minutesβ¦ π€
blaue_Fledermaus@catsalad
Aren't the absurd costs only for training the models? Those already trained run cheaply even on home hardware.
Aren't the absurd costs only for training the models? Those already trained run cheaply even on home hardware.
Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC@blaue_Fledermaus @catsalad Exactly. Once a GenAI model exists, it doesn't need more power to generate a 1024x1024 image than playing a high-end computer game at highest detail settings on a big PC with a decent GPU for about a minute.
@blaue_Fledermaus @catsalad However, if you use a chatbot to render the image for you, it becomes significantly more computationally expensive. Still nowhere near the energy usage of a residential neighbourhood in the Western world, but enough to play such a game for ten or twenty minutes. The same applies when you're using "prompt magic", which doesn't run your prompt directly through the diffusion model but hands it over to an LLM which then generates an "improved" prompt which then gets used to generate the image. One of the reasons why I don't like Dall-E is that it always does this, there is no way to run a prompt directly through Dall-E without it getting filtered through GPT first. Not only does it add this unnecessary computation, but it also gives you less control over the process.
Joe Cooper πΊπ¦ π@blaue_Fledermaus @catsalad the cow was already dead when they made the hamburger, so hamburgers are ethically neutral. The oil was already extracted and refined by the time I filled up my car, so no harm done.
@blaue_Fledermaus @catsalad ah, so they're not training any new models, it's all done? That's a relief.
su_liam@blaue_Fledermaus @swelljoe @catsalad The great thing about cars and hamburgers is that thereβs always roadkill. The oil part is harderβ¦
Nearly Normal (=>Γ·)@catsalad probably only a city full of brown people anyway so who gives a shit?
Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL) π€@catsalad
That image generated by AI. π
That image generated by AI. π
@sloanlance Hope all the holiday shoppers will understand. π
Beggar Midas@catsalad Sounds like a win/win on my end.
Excessive Minimalismβ Don't ask me again on this computer.
Ross of Ottawa@catsalad but just poor neighbourhoods, right?
Chris π π§@catsalad *happy Elon Musk noises*
Raglan Niall 
Simon@catsalad *presses Yes repeatedly* π
Deuchnord@catsalad it should say "cutting off electricity to 5000 random homes, including yours"
Jonathan@catsalad it's very unlikely to be MY small city so it's a YES from me
LuΓs Silva@catsalad eheheh, generative AI and LLMs, as they are implemented today, are probably the most inefficient brains ever made! The only positive thing about this is that they are human-built brains. :)
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mel@gary_alderson @catsalad why does it look so bad tho π
Big Ben@catsalad Something about how this image looks like a screenshot from a webpage made in 2001 feels right
@BmeBenji I really does! Lol
Rachel Lawson@catsalad honestly 99% of people would click OK
levampyre@catsalad Paris Marx made a 4 episodes Tech Won't Save Us mini series about the costs of AI and big data recently. Here's the 1st episode: https://techwontsave.us/episode/241_data_vampires_going_hyperscale_episode_1
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@catsalad If it was like The Box, and reminded you that someone else pushing the button could be affecting your city
Avi Rappoport (avirr)@catsalad
βwater or energy usage generally sit at opposite ends of a see-saw: if usage of one is decreased, the other must be increased to compensate.β
https://www.techpolicy.press/why-we-dont-know-ais-true-water-footprint/
βwater or energy usage generally sit at opposite ends of a see-saw: if usage of one is decreased, the other must be increased to compensate.β
https://www.techpolicy.press/why-we-dont-know-ais-true-water-footprint/
Kadarus@catsalad It's kind of difficult to measure, generation itself usually doesn't take that much power, training does.
MarjorieR@kadarus @catsalad depends on how many deluded idiots they get to generate this visual slop.
Several million doing it at once *will* take down that small town and that's what they are aiming for.
Needless to say when they eventually charge you (at the moment they are just burning VC cash) no doubt they'll charge you monthly not per image.
Several million doing it at once *will* take down that small town and that's what they are aiming for.
Needless to say when they eventually charge you (at the moment they are just burning VC cash) no doubt they'll charge you monthly not per image.
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diyelectromusic@catsalad Reminds me of the "natural fuse" research from ~2008 or so... particularly the "selfish mode" :)
Eli the BeardedLarry Wall built this into rn years before Tim Berners-Lee created this web thing. I still get prompted before posting to Usenet.
mjdxp@catsalad "don't worry guys, we're gonna find a better energy source eventually"
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Violet@catsalad This is a joke in rich countries but in many places this is the current reality.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/iran-bans-cryptocurrency-mining-4-months-amid-power-cuts-2021-05-26/
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202408135616
https://www.reuters.com/technology/iran-bans-cryptocurrency-mining-4-months-amid-power-cuts-2021-05-26/
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202408135616
pH_@catsalad you need one more of this but with genai certifications and abandoned kittens.
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FrostKiwi π¬π§π©πͺπ·πΊπ―π΅@catsalad Don't encourage me
Rook Queen 
@catsalad Blood sacrifice to the almighty AI deity.
Dominik@catsalad My laptop can generate a few hundred or 1024x1024 images on a single charge, let's say 300. Multiplied by 26 (the difference between 1024x1024 and 200x200), it's 7800 images. I feel very sorry for the "cities" who need to operate on less than a thousandth of my laptop battery for an hour.