โฆ ๐ Gus PoseyTo all of you who want to insult Americans I understand the impulse but none of the people who voted for the Rapist are going to see your message. It's just us, and we are heartbroken.
'|@Gustodon true.
S.R.3@Gustodon I'll just say this: I had faith on the American people and that was my mistake.
@Gustodon I had faith also in 2016 but after 2020 I thought they saw the showman and that was that. Done.
I hoped they had learned their hard earned lesson.
Hope and faith are dangerous things.
@Gustodon
I've lived my whole life under the umbrella of US hegemony. It was our gold standard for most things we wanted as a country.
We saw the decline and excused it away.
We saw the madness that accompanies the crumbling of any empire ("mine" was no exception) and we thought none of it.
My country is now in the most dangerous position we have ever been since the start of the XX century.
I have kids, and I feel we've failed to collectively show our offspring that we learned from our mistake
@Gustodon I need to sleep. Yet I can't
Sally Strange@SallyStrange no, you're thinking of God
@sr3 the fuck?
@SallyStrange best answer to your previous reply yet
@sr3 If you don't understand, just say that
@SallyStrange you bore me
chef ๐@Gustodon
We are with you!
We are with you!
Tofu Golem@Gustodon
All Americans deserve blame for what happened. Those of us who voted against Trump failed to convince others that voting for traitors is bad.
All Americans deserve blame for what happened. Those of us who voted against Trump failed to convince others that voting for traitors is bad.
Lesley Carhart 
@tofugolem @Gustodon when your own parents leave you over it, thereโs not much more you can do
Alex๐บ๐ฆ
Anneke@tofugolem @Gustodon or they failed to draw you over to their side and you should be proud of your sanity/steadfastness. It is not the time to be divided by grief and blame but to unite and help eachother.
saraSo sorry, it is a nightmare
Jens Michael B.-Hansen@Gustodon
I agree with you, I am with the other half of the population in United States of America. 235 years since the constitution was realized. Less than a decade and it might be all gone. We are sad with you!
I agree with you, I am with the other half of the population in United States of America. 235 years since the constitution was realized. Less than a decade and it might be all gone. We are sad with you!
Pope Bob the Unsane@Onthebass which half is that? The half that didn't vote? Otherwise, I think you more accurately mean 'one of the quarters' of the population.
@Onthebass I think it's note-worthy that half of the population doesn't believe in the legitimacy of voting as we are allowed to vote.
I also find it curious why we think that in 235 years we cannot perhaps make a better founding document that isn't drafted by white supremacists for white supremacists. It took a long time for 'man' to mean all white men, and not just land-owning white men, and even longer for it to include women, and non-white men.
Why do we revere these documents so much, when they were never intended to give us privilege or freedom?
You are absolutely right! But most constitutions are made hard to change.
As a Dane I was just 5 years old when the constitution was changed, back in the 50'th. Anyway the orange monster will do anything to change your law sets to his own benefits and maybe for Elon Musk too.
@Onthebass if the majority of us want to rewrite the constitution and create a new constitution and stop listening or referencing or using the old constitution, we can.
CYG@Cyates2310 by getting beyond our differences and working together as community and not seeing ourselves as individuals.
@bobdobberson @Onthebass @Gustodon Thx . I get that, but it only works when most of us do that. Americans are happily individualistic. Think back to the people angry about simply being asked to wear a mask to protect others. I have personally decided to give up hoping that we are more good than not. I will live my life without too many expectations. We are everything I thought we were. We do need people to stay hopeful, I am just not one of them, "fool me once..."
@Cyates2310 most of us only do that when others talk to us about it.
The steps necessary for organization are agitation, education, and inoculation.
It is only after we're educated and no longer afraid of organizing that we will organize.
@Cyates2310 the trick with 'education' is it simply isn't pointing at data that supports your thing and telling someone they are stupid if they don't do it.
Education is the step after agitation -- agitation is getting them to ask questions, and education is helping to answer their questions. Education is not telling them what you want them to hear; that's a variant of agitation.
@bobdobberson @Onthebass @Gustodon good luck with that. We are too entrenched in our media bubbles for education to break through.
@Cyates2310 if you believe that, then I understand your hopelessness.
They spend billions annually to keep us stuck in the bubbles that are telling us there is one choice, two teams, and the other team wants to kill our team.
@Cyates2310 if it were impossible to break from our bubbles, they would not spend the resources they do keeping us in them is what I am saying.
@bobdobberson @Onthebass @Gustodon I wish I was more hopeful. This was the result of a decades long strategy that worked. You aren't wrong, but too many people have indicated this is exactly what they want. Sadly, I am not optimistic about the immediate future. Thanks for the conversation.
@Cyates2310 the billionaires do not want you to have hope.
@Cyates2310 they don't always. They did this evolutionary cycle. In many other cycles we brained the bastards that were trying to hoard resources.
They are currently winning, but there is 3,000 of them, and 8,000,000,000 of us.
@Cyates2310 you will have the biggest impact working locally, finding a volunteer / mutual aid program to join could help you meet others to share the burden with.
@Cyates2310 they want us ignorant and converting our time into profits for them.
@bobdobberson @Onthebass @Gustodon Unless we don't, which I won't. I'll continue to invest in their markets because they won't allow their "shareholder value" to evaporate. I will find a way to stay informed. But I refuse to see this country, or this world as anything other than what it is. I will live and let live.
@Cyates2310 it is really difficult to stay informed when a solid 90% of our information is misinformation.
@bobdobberson @Onthebass @Gustodon last night's results indicate to me that it could be dangerous to organize, agitate and protest. I recall DJT wanting to shoot protesters in 2020. It was only because he had law-abiding military leaders in place to stop him that he didn't shoot protesters. There won't be any guardrails in place this time around. Good luck and stay safe.
@Cyates2310 that is why you agitate, educate, and inoculate (against fear).
Inoculation is not easy. Looks pretty scary out there to me, too.
But the more of us that find each other, we become too many nails to nail down.
@Onthebass as long as the majority of us recognize "the orange monster" as a figure of authority, he will have authority.
As long as the majority of us recognize money or bits of data representing money have value, they will have value, and people like Musk will continue to have influence and power.
They have power because we give them power.
Gondoliere@Gustodon Now we don't even have the time to insult anyone - except ourselves because we haven't developed any strategy for the future
SophieI really feel for you.
A similar thing happened here in the UK after the EU referendum. That all British people voted to leave, that we were all ignorant racists.
It's horrible to be insulted for something you didn't do, so I feel your pain.
Here is some solidarity. We are not alone.
ZogG@Gustodon thought so too, till I saw some toots of people not voting Kamala, cause she is not "good enough candidate" ๐คฆ๐ฝโโ๏ธ
chebra@Gustodon Well now the non-trump-supporters in US serve as the same human shield as non-musk-supporters on twitter.
Jackie โค๏ธโฎ๏ธ๐ต๐ธ๐ช๐บ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง@Gustodon
I'm usually one to take the piss out of America, but not this time. It's far too serious.
I'm so sorry.
My condolences to those who didn't vote for Orange Mattress-Haired Fascist Dictator.
"What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter." ~ Terry Pratchett
BoneHouseWasps๐ถ๐ฌ๐ง๐ช๐บ@Gustodon I'm so sorry.
Charlotte Walker@Gustodon We are heartbroken for you
Laurie Kay@Gustodon And we are heartbroken for you, and indeed for the world.
MariJeanGordon@Gustodon I wonder if Americans back then had such a differentiated view on the population in Nazi Germany.
But I agree, that we with common sense and human values should not let us being split up by country boarders or hateful people.
Sonja ๐ณ๐ฑ ๐ช๐บ@Gustodon I'm so sorry. ๐งก We have an extremist right government here too in the Netherlands. I'm so afraid that history repeats itself because I grew up with the stories of WO2.
vicbarbdear@Gustodon So true. I canโt believe we are here AGAIN!
๐ ๐ ๐๐ธ๐ธ๐น๐ฎ๐ปYou could always pass on our messages. ๐๐๐