Fuck Microsoft and Fuck Nadella.

As expected, the 24H2 update installed 'Recall', it can't be uninstalled.

To disable the Microcoft spyware, run this as admin

C:\Windows\System32>Dism /Online /Disable-Feature /Featurename:Recall

Can't vouch that all the people you share your screen, code, IP, private details, will disable theirs. consider NOT sharing anything ever again.

@hareldan
Come to the dark side. We hate cookies ;-). Switched to #linux_mint because of this. I started with dual boot, but I haven't used Windows in several months.

@veruhl this is a work laptop so the only other option is a mac.

(Not because we can't run Linux, because of all the other spyware we're required, like crowdstrike, etc)

I am seriously considering a @frameworkcomputer in the future

@hareldan @veruhl @frameworkcomputer I did not investigate too hard, but my Linux corporate laptop appears to have a bunch of same category "enterprise protection software"
@hareldan @veruhl @frameworkcomputer Do it. Not only is it a fine and lightweight laptop, but also my USB power cord pooped out after a couple of years of use. They replaced it for free. Stand-Up Folks IMHO.
@hareldan @veruhl @frameworkcomputer It's a problem that the whole industry suffers from, and sadly one that it created by itself.
The worst part is that everyone thinks there is no alternative and that it's perfectly normal to "own" everything your workforce thinks and does. Or they don't even realize that they're doing exactly that just by relying on such tools.
Maybe it's time that the regulators step in. Or perhaps workers unions. I haven't seen much action on that front, sadly.

@veruhl @hareldan

Ping if something is confusing. Often online "why is this" are misinformed, or hostile to new users.

I'll try not to be.

@veruhl

I have switched to Linux Mint on my laptop and it works like a champ. I'll probably install it on my desktop when win10 dies.

@hareldan

@monkeyben @veruhl @hareldan

If you don't need the internet in win64 (local games etc) there are solutions for win10 even win11 which remove crapware in total. However no updates are possible so you need to wait for them to get official large patches de-crapped. That makes little internet contact important.
Full internet should only be done when you are in a VM

#win64 #win11 #Linux #POSIX #Programming #recall #War #InfoSec

@veruhl @hareldan that's how it went for our mom also :)
dual boot but barely used Windows in the last years. she's also on Mint and currently so are we.
@elexia @hareldan The only thing that hindered me from switching to Linux earlier was gaming. I used Linux Mint inside a VM. Then I discovered https://www.protondb.com/
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@veruhl "We hate cookies, we love mints tho"

Sadly, I can't move over to Linux just as-is because some pretty software I use, doesn't run on Linux (and Wine isn't a solution either) :\

@hareldan

@veruhl @hareldan

I am sooo upset I have to use Windows for my future work (thk god it is only for 2 months). Only issue I had to open my private mail privider there...

@veruhl

@hareldan

That was also my path many years ago with Ubuntu. And I'm happy happy as a user of Debian and OpenBSD.
Be prepared to feel the itch to Distro-hop 😉
My tip: Try it and if you feel home somewhere that's perfect.

@veruhl @hareldan I tried switching, but not everything worked on Mint. So, I use dual boot now...
@hareldan thanks for sharing this. Bookmarked so I can find it again whenever my PC gets that update.

@hareldan This is a little dramatic for the uninitiated, but to clarify instructions if you want to disable Recall:

- Tap the [Win] key and type "cmd"
- Click the Run as administrator option
- Paste the command: "Dism /Online /Disable-Feature /Featurename:Recall"

Your results should be something like:
Image Version: 10.0.26100.2033
Disabling feature(s)
[==========================100.0%==========================]
The operation completed successfully.

@redrummy You are right, didn't think it will get this much spread beyond my little geo community

@hareldan

Just adding this in, it’s now a dependency for File Explorer itself. If you remove it it literally deletes the Windows 11 File Explorer.

Although most of us know this but something disabled like this will definitely be turned back on without warning in a future update.

@bflipp I read about the file explorer thing previously, mine seems to still function correctly, but will surely be a factor in me tossing this laptop out if it does.

As for them re-enabling things, oh yes, after every update I go and uninstall and disable everything I can. Recall can't be disabled in the typical methods, but the check is also simple (for now at least)

@hareldan

You didn’t remove Recall. You just disabled it. I’m talking about deleting it. If you delete it File Explorer will break and/or kick you back to a cut down version similar to Windows 10’s explorer.

@hareldan

What I’m getting at is they have wound this thing around the core internals and functionality of Windows. It’s never going away.

Switching to Linux is imperative for every machine you have end to end control of.

@bflipp Gotcha.

I had the joy of also getting crowdstruck BSOD.

Not a good outlook for Windows.
This is a work laptop though, so I don't have complete control over these decisions, but certainly considering for any future personal devices.

@hareldan

I’m lucky that my IT guys are holding on to Windows 10 as long as possible and switching as many people to Mac as they can. Not that Apple Intelligence is any better/more secure than Recall.

I will still campaign for a Dell Precision with Ubuntu when they force an upgrade on me. I literally don’t do any work outside of my WSL install of Debian anyway.

I’ve been all Linux at home for years now though.

@bflipp @hareldan @Beckydog "or kick you back to a cut down version similar to Windows 10’s explorer." seems like an upgrade to me...
@chloeraccoon @bflipp @hareldan @Beckydog Except maybe for tabs I guess? (I dunno, we don't use Windows)
@frost @bflipp @hareldan @Beckydog I have no issue with not having tabs. I don't see the need to add them to everything. Why would I want them on my file manager? I don't see an advantage there over multiple windows, esp when dragging files, which is my primary use for multiple windows...
@chloeraccoon @bflipp @hareldan @Beckydog Depends how you use the file manager. Personally we use tabs quite a lot, not for dragging files but for working in separate but oftentimes related-to-the-same-task folders (like export images for one art thing + export images for a different art thing), and we use split panes for drag and drop, and we sometimes use multiple windows for drag and drop and we should probably do that more actually.
@frost The only advantage to tabs in explorer is if dragging a file you go to the tab at the top and wait for the current view to change, instead of down to the taskbar. Split panes isn't a thing, you need multiple windows for that.
@frost And when windows are hidden behind things tabs means I'd need to go to the taskbar to bring explorer to the front, the to the top of that window to select the tab - the tabs don't appear as a window list on the application's taskbar icon, only the active tab is. Well, it tells you that there are tabs, but not what they are or allows you to select them...
@bflipp @hareldan doesn't even go down to Windows 10 - I'm fairly certain it goes all the way back to the Windows 7 explorer!

@0xPortal @hareldan

Yeah I’m just going off of videos I’ve seen. I just know it looked suuuuper basic. Would not doubt that it’s Windows 7 at all.

@bflipp @hareldan Don't threaten us with a good time.
@bflipp @hareldan (Could you point to any instructions on how to actually delete it?)

@dalias @hareldan

https://www.linuxmint.com/

Mint is the easiest distro to switch to. The Cinnamon desktop is similar to Windows 7 in workflow and functionality. Even non-technical users can run it fine even if they need it installed for them.

If you’re comfortable with running Windows debloat utilities you should just stop running Windows.

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Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

@bflipp @hareldan FFS I probably know a thing or two about Lunix... 😂

What I was asking is how to remove Recall, without removing their OS, from the PC from someone who does not want me to wipe all their shit and force them to switch to something different.

@dalias @hareldan

I am not interested in giving you instructions that will likely break core functionality in Windows. Microsoft wound CoPilot around FILE EXPLORER. There’s no telling what else is broken or could be broken by future updates by removing it. They could also just slipstream it back in during an update defeating the purpose of removing it anyway.

You should devote your time and energy on moving people away from Windows instead. It’s incumbent on those that know how to teach those that don’t or the cycle of abuse Microsoft perpetuates against their users will never stop.

@dalias

Enjoy supporting a hacked up and ruined version of Windows instead, genius.

@bflipp You realize your behavior here is one of the things so offputting about the fediverse, right? You could try to tone it down and stop presuming you have standing to decide how others reorient the stuff underlying their lives.

@dalias

I pointed out the logical fallacy in your desire to maintain a broken Windows install instead of acclimating to a new OS right now. One that doesn’t require you to break it in order to use it in safety and privacy.

Moving away from Windows is the only truly correct decision to make. I’m not saying it’s easy but it’s less work and less effort than maintaining broken Windows installs for the sake of privacy. If you disagree that’s fine.

@dalias @bflipp @hareldan

Are there any great sharepics out there, explaining the problem with #windows11 and #recall?
We all know that nudging is doing its job. So, putting those sharepics into your messengers story every now and then will actually have an impact in your network. As time goes by, it will be easier to help them moving away from #Microsoft towards #Linux

If you had any idea how embarrassing your interaction with @[email protected] looks right now…

If you ever find the time, look up what musl is. Then try to connect the dots here.

@[email protected]

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan > Even non-technical users can run it fine even if they need it installed for them.

Yeah, but be prepared to defend your treachery when they find out they can’t have Microsoft Solitaire anymore.

@dalias @bflipp @hareldan the functionality itself is disabled by default and currently only possible to enable on arm64 devices. as for removing it completely it's shipped as a Feature on Demand with the explicit goal of making it able to be uninstalled, the command in the OP is one of several ways to do so (i don't have a device on 24h2 to confirm but i don't know why it wouldn't also be in the Optional Features page in Settings if dism works)
manually messing with system files breaking things is unsurprising. presumably it's seeing that the feature is installed, trying to access related files based on this, and failing
@dalias @bflipp @hareldan oh, found the source on it being "impossible to uninstall", it seems like the actual issue is that if you manually rip out the files from the installation iso it produces a subtly broken installation. the installer probably shouldn't do that no but that seems to squarely be a bug in the installer and not anything to do with recall itself
@dalias @bflipp @hareldan (arguably not even a bug, i don't think manually removing files like that is remotely a supported usecase)
@leo @bflipp @hareldan I'm guessing like every other stupid thing on Windows there's a fix to really delete it without breaking anything.
@dalias @bflipp @hareldan yes, I'm fairly sure that's just uninstalling the feature as described in the op? this is explicitly described in official materials as a way to uninstall it completely if you aren't happy with it just being disabled https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2024/09/27/update-on-recall-security-and-privacy-architecture/
Update on Recall security and privacy architecture

Overview As AI becomes more integral to Windows, Microsoft is doing more with AI on the edge with the power of a 40+ TOPS Neural Processing Unit on Copilot+ PCs. This enables lower latency, better battery life for AI intense tasks, use of AI

Windows Experience Blog
@leo @bflipp @hareldan OP's commands were to disable not uninstall.
@dalias @bflipp @hareldan oh, just add the /Remove flag to the end. note that on client editions of windows it can't reclaim the disk space bc doing a factory reset will need the data, i don't know if there's a way to override that but i don't think it matters that much?
@dalias @bflipp @hareldan you should also be able to do this via the GUI from Optional Features in Settings but I don't have a machine on 24H2 to verify