@rail_
Mozilla is such a terrible company, really sucks that they are the only alternative to chromium based browsers, and they still suck as a company.
This is why we need a community maintained browser, something that is made by the community and for the community. Where those maintaining it aren't insulated from the community's wishes. Mozilla is insulated from them and that's a big problem for the future of Firefox, and anything else they make.
@Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla You mean like #palemoonbrowser ?
Edit: This was meant as lighthearted trolling, but seems to have escalated quickly, given the replies. 😐
My primary #FediRez is Universeodon … but my browser, #Vivaldi, provides a 2nd-ary.
@drakakis @Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla
Vivaldi is just a chromium fork and it's not even open source so it's not at all what we need. We need an open source engine that is not based on chromium, #servo sounds like it could be it, but it still needs a lot of work
@gloopsies @drakakis @Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla So? Still works better than Firefox. *And* they run a mastodon instance.
Can Mozilla do that? Evidently they cannot.
@carighan @gloopsies @drakakis @Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla
just to offer up my two cents: it shouldn't be a web browser's place to host a mastodon instance. fedi instances should be owned and operated mostly by individuals or small teams, not big companies— thats kinda the whole point.
so whether the company behind a web browser can maintain a fedi instance or not seems irrelevant to me.
@krafter @gloopsies @drakakis @Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla Yeah that's a good point, fair enough. I mean it was kinda nice of them to do, but there's a conceptual difference between "Being present on a microblogging service" (i.e.: posting news there) and "Being part of a microblogging service" by hosting part of its infrastructure.
You're right. I want them to post news here, it doesn't matter either way whether they also provide an instance. 🤔
@mikael @mozilla No, and hrm last I tried it, it was faster, felt cleaner, and had an actual tablet interface including keyboard-shortcuts and all.
But that's a pretty minor thing, and I ended up dropping it again. And likewise, whether Mozilla runs a Mastodon instance or not is a super minor thing. I guess I'm just surprised that it's apparently a noteworthy investment to be cut down. 🤷
@gloopsies @drakakis @Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla
Isn't Servo a Mozilla project, though? At least originally?
@aburka @gloopsies @drakakis @Draconic_NEO @rail_ @mozilla
…huh… I must've missed that part of the history.
@gloopsies
Even so he makes a good point, they are able to have their own instance so there's no real reason why Mozilla couldn't also have their own, at the very least have it be reserved just for brand accounts like social.bbc (yeah I know they aren't good but at least they're trying, unlike mozilla).
@the_ilmfurter
Maybe because they've been trying to start an advertising company, because they've been investing crazy into the AI bubble (and it is a bubble).
I don't deny that Firefox and Thunderbird are fantastic, the question is will they stay that way with Mozilla's current direction or will they be pumped full of AI trash and advertising. Not to say that will happen but it is a possibility, as well as the possibility they will screw us over in a future manifest version like Google did.
These are the consequences of Mozilla's decline. Hopefully they don't because there isn't much else, and currently isn't any kind of community effort to build our own browser. They're the best there is.
@elgregor
You are in a minority, while I do agree that translation services can be useful, a chatbot is not something that should be integrated into a browser like on the later nightlies, something that will likely make its way into stable Firefox.
It is a waste of money and resources better spent on maintaining and improving Firefox, not chasing the AI trend.
@Draconic_NEO @rhoot @rail_ @mozilla https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecomment-830793992
Considering gender neutral language in documentation "too political" certainly isn't a good look
@venthewolf
LibreWolf is good, but it's hard to say if they would be able to keep up if Mozilla started making extra evil changes to Firefox as a browser, as well as more aggressive policing of the AMO repository.
At the moment it is the best we have, but it would be better to be independent from Mozilla especially as they continue to progressively get worse.
@venthewolf @Draconic_NEO @rail_ AFAIK it's under the Linux Foundation's wing right now. The people here donating to Mozilla should really divert their money to Servo instead.
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