myrmepropagandistMay you live to see much less interesting times!
Headline: Congressman shocks public with dismissive talk of successful sidewalk widening initiative. "You are not fully considering the impact on run off." He explains. This debate that has gripped the nation has escalated!
Gadfly (-booq-)@futurebird Om the one hand I understand and agree with your point and wish you the same, but on the other hand what are you TALKING about "less interesting times", there is SO much more to dive into here than "fascist agitators once again dig up one of the century-old dehumanizing falsehoods to spread to their emotionally-primed audience, risking violence",
like no PLEASE tell me more about this run-off impact assessment and the limitations of rough estimates of downstream environmental effects and how to weigh more thorough investigation against more time- and resource-effecient public decision-making!
like no PLEASE tell me more about this run-off impact assessment and the limitations of rough estimates of downstream environmental effects and how to weigh more thorough investigation against more time- and resource-effecient public decision-making!
Well that's kind of the thing. Having less of the stuff you can't ignore no matter how much you want to makes times for having just as many intense passioned debates about much better things.
@futurebird You're right but it's just. like. "stuff I can't ignore" is not "interesting". Like yes it claims a monopoly on my interest, which might meet one definition, but...
it's like pain. Pain SUCKS. I get regular painful stomachaches that take an hour or two in the bathroom to resolve slowly and painfully, and like sure the first 5-to-10 times I can get to "wow, huh, what's causing this, what's the broad timeline and where are the different sensations happening, can I get a mental model of this, etc.", but after a bit it's just. BORING. And painful enoughthat I can't think of anything ELSE during it for any extended duration, so it just SUCKS.
I think I'm mostly just aggressively agreeing with you rather than any disagreement, but after the aggressive rise in these so-called "interesting times", I just want to be able to live in more actually interesting times than this.
econads@gaditb @futurebird
But surely both the pavement and the road are sealed surfaces so it makes absolutely no difference... *confused*
But surely both the pavement and the road are sealed surfaces so it makes absolutely no difference... *confused*
sabik@econads @gaditb @futurebird
Some places the sidewalk is between two strips of lawn (or, occasionally, garden bed)
Some places the sidewalk is between two strips of lawn (or, occasionally, garden bed)
David Mitchell 
@futurebird @sabik @econads @gaditb
I guess it all depends on what the extra sidewalk is replacing. We used to have wide sidewalks in NA, but they were eaten up by traffic lanes. If we take back the traffic lanes, then no net effect on run-off. If we assume that we just *can’t* give up traffic lanes !!😱!! (the prior default assumption) then wider sidewalks come out of lawns… in the suburbs at least.
@DavidM_yeg @futurebird @sabik @gaditb
:o that wider pavements might come out of the outside of the road rather than the inside, that widening the pavement doesn't necessitate narrowing the road did not for 1 minute occur to me. Wouldn't lawns be private and therefore hard for the city to get hold of?
:o that wider pavements might come out of the outside of the road rather than the inside, that widening the pavement doesn't necessitate narrowing the road did not for 1 minute occur to me. Wouldn't lawns be private and therefore hard for the city to get hold of?
@econads @DavidM_yeg @sabik @gaditb
Many towns have “tree lawns” which are owned by the city but often planted and styled by residents.
@econads @gaditb @futurebird @sabik
Yup, the first four or five feet from the sidewalk is often municipal land here… I’m responsible for maintaining it, but I don’t own it. There are often services buried there and they have complete freedom to do what they will.
@sabik @futurebird @gaditb @econads
Plus… north americans are so attached to their cars they would probably expropriate a strip of lawns before they would consider inconveniencing motorists.
… ok that’s a bit of hyperbole, but only a bit 😞
@DavidM_yeg @gaditb @futurebird @sabik are there limits on what you can do with it? I mean I guess you can't dig it up like.
@econads @gaditb @futurebird @sabik
Yup, my property actually starts just on the other side of that black lamp post. It’s possible my little apple tree is on city land. Functionally it’s mine until they want to do something. When one of the telcos installed fibre optics recently, they dug a good sized hole out there and camped a bunch of equipment.
We could easily do with half the amount of pavement out there though 🤷♂️
@econads @gaditb @sabik @futurebird
Ordinarily I’d be right there too, but this is a quiet out of the way residential neighbourhood: shared use makes the most sense… but of course by that I mean true shared use that lets bicycles safely ride on the road because the road design prioritizes bicycles and limits speed for cars (not ‘I guess we’ll bikes risk their lives here if they insist’)
@futurebird @DavidM_yeg @sabik @gaditb
Oh we've got something similar like that in my city of the 1-2sqm or so around the street trees. You can volunteer to look after one. Win-win.
Oh we've got something similar like that in my city of the 1-2sqm or so around the street trees. You can volunteer to look after one. Win-win.
Sisyphus with a Hat@futurebird Now that I like!
Aviva Gary
katzenberger 🇺🇦Is it possible that people become so indifferent during much less interesting times that their indifference is the very reason we are seeing interesting times?
Jochie 👨🏻💻🏳️🌈@futurebird Should I hold my breath?
Willem Janssen
xs4me2Getting sick and tired of it…
Julie Goldberg
King Naga Calyo Lucere-Delphi@futurebird god i hope i do x.x