BenRiceMSep 6, 2024

I agree with some of @gruber’s points:
- browser ballot pages are likely confusing for many users; being informed of choice != being forced to make a choice
- the EU should more in conversation with Apple about what features are non-compliant

But it misses the forest for the trees:
Apple holds ungodly amount of power over many aspects of daily life. Banking, grocery shopping, dating, communication, art and culture are all mediated by our phones
https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/113091446183508943

Show threadJohn GruberSep 6, 2024
@BenRiceM Putting aside the argument that those things are better under Apple's App Store control than they were before or would be without (at least banking, grocery shopping, and communication -- I can't speak to dating in recent decades), the DMA, thus far, has reduced absolutely none of Apple's control other than being able to play Fortnite on iOS devices in the EU again.
Show threadCasey LissSep 6, 2024
@gruber @BenRiceM Delta has entered the chat.
Show threadJohn GruberSep 7, 2024
@caseyliss @BenRiceM The DMA resulting in Apple reconsidering its policy on game emulators is a happy side effect, but the fact is we have Delta in the App Store now. And I think if you asked Vestager for 100 goals of the DMA, “game emulators in the App Store" wouldn't have made the list.
Show threadCasey LissSep 7, 2024

@gruber @BenRiceM Sure, but I _do_ think the goal is “ensure Apple’s customers more choice and stop Apple from standing in their way”.

If that's the ultimate goal — regardless of the _how_ — then I think the DMA is [marginally] successful so far.

Show threadJohn GruberSep 7, 2024

@caseyliss @BenRiceM What is the success so far other than giving access in the EU to a game that was fined $245M for swindling children out of in-app purchases?

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/ftc-finalizes-order-requiring-fortnite-maker-epic-games-pay-245-million-tricking-users-making

FTC Finalizes Order Requiring Fortnite maker Epic Games to Pay $245 Million for Tricking Users into Making Unwanted Charges

The Federal Trade Commission has finalized an order requiring Epic Games, the maker of the Fortnite video game, to pay $245 million to consumers to settle charges that the c

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Show threadRavi Sep 7, 2024

@gruber @caseyliss @BenRiceM It’s only been a few months. It could take a few years to ultimately judge how successful the changes are.

You weren’t so hasty to judge Vision Pro’s (lack of) success.

Show threadJohn Gruber
@ravi @caseyliss @BenRiceM I’ve drawn final conclusions regarding the DMA where? I’m only judging the effects so far. But it doesn’t look good.
Sep 7, 2024 at 10:05pmIvory for iOS
Show threadɈƨɿoʜnɘvυႧ nɘɈƨɿɒƆSep 10, 2024
@gruber @ravi @caseyliss @BenRiceM I'm curious as well, let's wait and see. At least Apple is now treating its customers like adults. Aside from the somewhat childish way of not pointing out the consequences of deleting the camera app.