Aurynn Shaw

All of us who blocked Threads when they announced fediverse integration saw this.

We told you so.

https://www.macstories.net/stories/lgbt-and-marginalized-voices-are-not-welcome-on-threads/

LGBT and Marginalized Voices Are Not Welcome on Threads

<p>As Twitter was crumbling under Elon Musk’s new leadership in 2023, various online circles found themselves flocking to alternative platforms. While some may have kept using Twitter (now known as… X), a non-negligible number of communities migrated over to Mastodon and other smaller platforms. Meanwhile, Meta shipped its own textual social media platform, Threads. The...</p>

Jul 13, 2024 at 6:52amWeb
Show threadCohenTheBlueJul 13, 2024
@aurynn It is not a failure to moderate, it is a calculated gamble that there will be no repercussions (legally, financially). Obviously Meta seems to think it has the data that proves there's more of those who spread and enjoy that hate, hence more users and engagement for Meta.
Show threadFabian【ファビアン】🏳️‍🌈Jul 13, 2024
@aurynn how is this relevant for blocking threads? Isn't it actually the opposite? As in "fine, we don't care if you don't want us, we don't have to be on threads to talk with people on threads"
Show threadmxkJul 13, 2024

@fabiscafe @aurynn agree. It's not at all relevant as it's about the threads algorithm, which has no influence on importing posts through federation.

Everyone who used Facebook and Instagram knew, what an algorithmic hell hole threads timelines would be.

Show threadIan JacksonJul 13, 2024

@mxk @fabiscafe @aurynn A toxic algorithmic timeline poisons its readers, and the harm leaks into their writings more generally - especially their posts on the same platform.

I don't want to read replies to toxic posts, any more than I want to read toxic posts themselves. I'm not sure I even want to read original posts written by well-meaning people on a platform which has a substantial flow of toxic soup.

Show threadmxkJul 13, 2024
@Diziet @fabiscafe @aurynn but you don't get the algorithmic timeline from not blocking threads.
And I certainly want to read posts from politicians, journalists and so on, who are only posting on blsky or threads, because I care about the the authors and their content over their choice of platform.
I have nothing but sympathy for people not wanting to bother with the hurdles of mastodon.
Show threadocdtrekkieJul 13, 2024

@fabiscafe @aurynn Exactly! The fediverse should connect with Threads to empower people to have a safe platform from which they can communicate with people on hostile ones.

Imagine the idiocy if my "ethical email service" refused to allow users to email Gmail folks. Nobody would use it and they'd be right not to.

Fedipact folks are desperate for a "we told you so" moment, but the reality is this is working as-intended and nobody expected Meta to be the good guys.

Show threadocdtrekkieJul 13, 2024
@fabiscafe @aurynn Show this to your friends on Threads, and convince them to migrate to a fedi server which federates with Threads instead! They don't lose their friends, but they do lose the ads and algorithmic nonsense.
Show threadpollinator stanJul 13, 2024

@fabiscafe @aurynn "we won't federate with servers that don't clean their own metaphorical house" has been a moderation rule of thumb since pretty much the dawn of the fediverse. if your instance is choked with nazis, i don't want it interacting with mine. if i wanted to open every one of my posts to harassment and threats, i'd still be on twitter 🙃

threads, in particular, is a nazi instance that’s also run by one of the most villainous tech companies in existence. meta has been showing their true colors for twenty years; why are we giving them the benefit of the doubt now?

Show threadIan JacksonJul 13, 2024
@fabiscafe @aurynn Because of network effects, us federating with Threads makes Threads more attractive.
Show threadFabian【ファビアン】🏳️‍🌈Jul 13, 2024
@Diziet @aurynn that's not an effect only in one direction
Show threadOrthiaJul 13, 2024

@aurynn

For many, Threads understandably felt like a breath of fresh air following the chaos that engulfed Twitter. Unlike the latter, Threads is not run by someone that I and many others find to be an exceptionally despicable human.

Uhhhh…

But yes, we did indeed Tell Them So. But some folks when told there’s a shovel heading for their face just need to take the shovel to the face before they believe it. #Leopards

Show threadDavid Glover-AokiJul 13, 2024

@aurynn Lets say that Threads really is silencing minorities.

What does silencing the entire network achieve?

Show threaddraeathJul 13, 2024
@davidga @aurynn "not our circus, not our monkey?"
Show threadSally StrangeJul 13, 2024
@davidga @aurynn It's silencing minorities AND ENABLING THE VIOLENT FASCISTS WHO TARGET THEM.
Show threadjesterchen42Jul 14, 2024

@SallyStrange @davidga @aurynn As this German article states as well...

https://dizl.de/@moskitokoenig/112783215630340380

Clu | #RipNatenom 🕯 (@[email protected])

Drecks-META 😡 https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/donald-trump-meta-hebt-beschraenkungen-fuer-instagram-und-facebook-kanaele-auf-a-60b2f382-168c-4c70-9a8b-b59ecac75bb6

dizl.de
Show threadA Slightly Orange CatJul 14, 2024
@davidga @aurynn There's suspicion that Threads' embrace of the Fediverse is just an "embrace and extinguish" strategy to lure people to Threads. When other instances block Threads that strategy becomes less effective.
Show threadmav Jul 14, 2024

@davidga
@aurynn

It seems like a question of how much abuse you're willing to let into your community in order for people to get a little further reach for their posts.

I don't think it's a particularly great trade myself. If threads was literally any other instance they would have been almost universally blocked for abuse and there would have been no drama about it at all.

Show threadrefraction Jul 14, 2024
@mav @davidga @aurynn but you can't do that to meta? it would be unfair because they are a big corporation that shouldn't have to abide by any rules except their own!
Show threadlumpen 🍉 IIIJul 14, 2024
@davidga @aurynn i mean, what's the point? what's the point of existing?
Show threadLeonardo Ferreira FontenelleJul 13, 2024

@aurynn reminds me of:

@shine
https://gts.churanova.eu/@shine/statuses/01J1TEZCJSVYE36RD96G3XMWBN

Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowJul 13, 2024
@aurynn It's the "we told you so" that I just keep getting stuck on. This didn't have to happen, we could have learned from literally everything else Facebook has done, allies could have listened to marginalized folks who warned them. But nope, here we are, failing to learn the lesson yet again.
Show threadDraken BlackKnightJul 13, 2024
@aurynn
What REALLY made me laugh was this line: "Unlike the latter, Threads is not run by someone that I and many others find to be an exceptionally despicable human."
Yeah, let's completely forget that Fuckerberg himself called everyone who has a Fecalbook account "dumb fucks."
Show threadnerd teacher 🦇Jul 14, 2024

@drakenblackknight @aurynn And has shrugged at the genocides and political violence that were inflamed and supported due to his own platforms.

That line made me just shake my head at what people are happy to overlook as long as they aren't obviously targeted or aren't made to feel embarrassed because the owner of the platform they use knows how to keep his bigotry on a lower register rather than loudly supporting Nazis.

Show threadStephanie 🎀Jul 13, 2024
@aurynn Just outright abusive moderation. I mean, dictating what you can DM people? I really wish some of my dearest friends would get off their sites so I could more easily contact them without fear of controlling punishment.
Show threadAsta [AMP]Jul 13, 2024
@aurynn I figured I knew what the thread was about even reading, which I did, but some specifics jumped out and soft-surprised me in how blatant and uncaring-about-it they were: the decision to any link or story about the New Popular Front even in private messages! Am I surprised that Meta is favoring right wing candidates? No, of course not. But I can’t say that I love they feel no need to hide it at such a fairly high level.
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Show threadace   Jul 14, 2024
@aurynn tfw we now have different gradations of "despicable humans". just because zuck is perceived as "less despicable" than musk... he's still on the despicable side of the likeability index!

i just can't anymore.
Show threadWizard Bear (💉x8 + 😷)Jul 14, 2024
@aurynn #Meta was/is/will continue to be a nightmare for any marginalized group. It's all about the $, clicks, hate/rage engagement, and support for RW causes. I have always refused to have anything to do with any of their offerings. TY for your posts.
Show threadmav Jul 14, 2024

@aurynn
I'm pretty sure most of the people who played along with this saw this as well and just didn't care.

That's probably me being too callous, I know that doesn't take into account a lot of things but... That is kind of what it comes down to.

Show threadBishop Greer GodseyJul 14, 2024
@aurynn They are not welcome on #mastodon either. The hate I get here is almost worse than X!
Show threadJWcph, Radicalized By DecencyJul 14, 2024
@aurynn When things go even more like you'd expect than you'd expect...
Show threadL'égrégore André ꕭꕬJul 14, 2024
@aurynn Very much of an aside, but for her to state "Unlike [twitter], Threads is not run by someone that I and many others find to be an exceptionally despicable human." is so sad and annoying.
A tech journalist who's not noticed any of the human rights violations etc on Zuck's sites, is not very good at their job.
Show threadliziwiziJul 14, 2024
@aurynn 'Unlike the latter, Threads is not run by someone that I and many others find to be an exceptionally despicable human'. Wot? Zuckerberg? Did we forget Cambridge Analytica already?
Show threadNicklas Johnson 🏳️‍🌈Jul 14, 2024

@aurynn
I was on Threads for about a week, and they continually "suggested" posts for me promoting far-right hate and violence, with no way for me to choose not to see posts from accounts that I didn't follow.

Meta in general has completely abandoned content moderation when it comes to right-wing extremist hate, making their platforms degrade into just more instances of 4chan.

I deleted my Threads account after I could find no way to rid my feed of hate, and I told them why. I'm certain they don't care.

@pch

Show threadCali SperaJul 14, 2024

@aurynn

I wonder how Bluesky is doing

Show threadResunaJul 23, 2024

@aurynn

I do question "Threads is not run by someone that I and many others find to be an exceptionally despicable human." ... I guess Zuck is only ordinarily despicable. :-(