Mystal:

Here's a question: Why would any president ever be impeached now? If presidents are absolutely immune from prosecution for "high crimes," then what's the theory of a future impeachment? "The President is allowed to do this, but we don't like it"?

Like, remember when Mitch McConnell argued that they *didn't* have to convict Trump in the Senate because he remains legally accountable for all he did as President?

That, turns out, was a lie.

@GottaLaff And Moscow Mitch knew he was lying.

@GottaLaff

The senate can still remove an impeached president, in a hypothetical world where sufficient GOP senators valuing country over party may be found.

@artemesia @GottaLaff Hahahahahah. GQP are Domestic Terrorists and Traitors
@artemesia @GottaLaff Lovely theory. In practice, though.... sigh 😕

@GottaLaff Theoretically, the accountability is in the vote.

it's time to start winning fence-riders (and there are enough of them) over.

@janisf Theoratically anything is possible
@janisf every ounce of me hopes that happens, but I very much don't want the punishment for high crimes as president to be up to an unreliable public choosing whether or not to be put back in office. I don't trust the general public to do anything smart, and I don't really find "no longer in office" to be a fully suitable punishment. But here's hoping for at least a good start 🤞

@erikriffle the general public ihas proven swayable by a solid sales pitch. It's how capitalism operates.

Do you know what rocketed Amazon to the top of the retail heap? Buyer reviews. Trillions of them. We don't have to drive this kind of success unwittingly, we can be deliberate about the outcomes of that invested effort.

Be a doggedly persistent one in a trillion. It'll add up.

@GottaLaff
It was a lie, as have been many of Mitch's statements.
@GottaLaff I'm more and more of the belief that all we're seeing here has been carefully plotted over a number of years by a clique of very shrewd and very evil persons around Donald J. Trump.
That is probably the REAL swamp.
@Eetschrijver Oh, it goes way beyond that. They've been planning this for decades.
@GottaLaff Not unlikely at all. I was probably afraid of sounding like a conspiracy nut. When do you think it started? When those Florida votes were tossed out?
@Eetschrijver Omg back with Reagan! This is common knowledge. They've been trying to destroy the govt for decades.

@GottaLaff I guess that's before I had any real insights in American goings-on.

Reagan was horrific, though. I never understood any praise for that guy afterwards.

Sampath Pāṇini ® (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image @[email protected] Between the ideologues, the kompromat, and the grift, it was a good plan, well-executed since 1968. If you zoom out the lens far enough. Kennedy brothers were the Gracchi of the #American Republic. #history @[email protected]

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@Eetschrijver @GottaLaff Way before that. My dad was movement conservative, and he was recruited in 1938 off the San Francisco docs. He first told me about the plan in 1968 in chilling detail. It’s just taken them this long to get to it because voters have allowed them to gain the power to do so. And yes, they were warned.

@eilonwy

Right here.....
The Heritage Foundation was founded on February 16, 1973, during the Nixon administration by Paul Weyrich, Edwin Feulner, and Joseph Coors

@Eetschrijver @GottaLaff

@tdwllms1 @eilonwy @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff

Bradley died in 1965. He was a loud & proud Bircher. He founded the Bradley Foundation with the stated mission of overturning the Voting Rights Act.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

For 50 years that trust fund worked to end democracy in America.

In 2010, they bought John Roberts & won.

They funded Jan 6.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/devos-bradley-claremont-trump-election-fraud-insurrection-1274253/

Barre Seid's $1.6 billion ended Roe vs Wade.

Charles Koch has left $5 billion to finish the job.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/16/trump-rightwing-groups-funds

John Birch Society - Wikipedia

@eilonwy @Eetschrijver @GottaLaff conservative imperialists have been trying to steer this way for at least 30 years or more. Roberts was clearly a plant, and it pays dividends now.

@GottaLaff @Eetschrijver

Absolutely. It is a philosophy that goes back to pre-civil-war Southern supremacy.

I recommend reading "Democracy in Chains" to get a glimpse of the systematic effort to establish property supremacy with a cast system not unlike recent past of society in India. Not just working class and owner class with some social mobility but establishing working slave cast and the ruling cast.

It is a grim political view.

@GottaLaff Looks there is no accountability as long you drift to the far right. Nothing else was expected from the majority of the Supreme Court. Unfortunately the destruction of democratic rules goes on full speed.
@GottaLaff News dump before the 4th of July.
@IveyJanette Always.
@GottaLaff And we all knew this was coming. Especially after the debate. Hence the sudden demands for Biden to step down.
@IveyJanette Yep. Sigh.
@GottaLaff They want chaos. That way Trump can declare a coup and martial law right now.
@GottaLaff
If I understand the ruling correctly,
1) it only covers criminal prosecution and
2) it only covers acts that are part of the President's official duties
That should mean the House can still impeach and the Senate convict him for anything. He can also be prosecuted for anything that isn't part of his official duties. It's still a terrible ruling.

@GottaLaff
Either that, or what the #SCOTUS majority is telling us is a lie.

And that is my current opinion: SCOTUS now lies. It lies about the Constitution and it lies to the American people and the world.

Never in all my years did I think I would ever feel that way about an institution that I, along with so many others, once revered and trusted to keep us on the right and true path of the Constitution.

@ginaintheburg Amen to that. Nor did I.
@GottaLaff @ginaintheburg constitution will never tell you when you have to raise against evil. We dread idea of conflict. It is already upon us.
@ginaintheburg @GottaLaff I don't think they even lie, as such. They just make shit up.

@ginaintheburg @GottaLaff

Bush v.Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000)

Serious question:

If at some future date the House & Senate succeed in impeaching and removing both Thomas and Alito, can the SCOTUS decisions they concurred with be declared invalid because of their (or any other Justice's) corrupt and/or criminal involvement?

Seriously.

#SCOTUS majority seems to think that power in and of itself confers absolute immunity from any crimes committed utilizing that power.

Ie, no such thing anymore as abuse of power.

It's the Leona Helmsley rule: laws are only for the little people.

#AbsoluteImmunity

@ginaintheburg
We will win and we will knock them out of our SCOTUS.
They know what is coming and now they are scared too.

@GottaLaff Well everything in the US is a lie so there is that...

However it amazes me they just voted for their own deaths and they don't even know it/care🤔

@GottaLaff
It wasn’t just a lie, it was the plan all along.
@GottaLaff
If an employee causes damage in the scope of employment, the employer may be liable. But if an employee commits a crime--say, if he delivers a package to a store and then robs the store--the employer is not liable AND the employee cannot use the excuse that he was within the scope of employment because the crime was unrelated to job requirements.
Don't you think a judge could use this reasoning to find liability for Jan 6 and other crimes?