Moos-a-dee 🫎I want fat scrollbars. Stop making scrollbars so thin. >:(
David Amador@Moosader Apple started to make them thinner and thinner and it has propagated everywhere now
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R. L. Dane 
Joby (chaotic good)@Moosader I also want them to be reasonably high contrast, so that I can once again tell at a glance the overall length of what I'm looking at and my position in it.
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Andrew@lunarloony @joby @Moosader feels like if they're not going to be shown by default anyway, they might as well be chonky when they do appear. They take up zero space either way, why not make them big enough to click?
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Jeremy List@jeremy_list @Moosader Some web browsers allow styling of them, but people usually use that to make it the *same* colors as the stuff being scrolled 🤦♂️
electron.greg
Aurin Azadî@Moosader I agree!
Haijosame here. i don't use a mouse or touchpad, so scrollbars are sometimes the only things i can use to scroll
Jay Thurber ShowI like big bars and I cannot lie
You other users can't deny
That when an app opens up
With a wide window widget
In my itty-bitty screen
My cursor gets things done
13 barn owls in a trenchcoat@jaythurbershow @Moosader thank you for writing this, otherwise I would have had to have done it myself
Paul@Moosader and stop making them shrink when I move my mouse away from them so that I have to play this little dance to get them to reappear or accidentally get the resize pane icon. Ugh. I’ve messaged multiple companies about this, including what is my Acrobat replacement on windows.
Rajnhildo Ursidino 
@Moosader This is ironically a big frustration for me on touchscreens. If they don’t implement drag to scroll, why furl up the scrollbar?
JacobRPG❌👑@Moosader and disappearing
Quinn9282 🖥️🌙✌️@Moosader Plus also:
- Keep the scrollbar on-screen at all times, don't make it disappear for no reason (I can't count how many times the scrollbar disappears and then you can't bring it back again).
- Don't make the scrollbar width shrink really tiny when I'm not actively hovering over/touching it, keep it on the screen in it's full size (It's UNBELIVABLE how unresponsive this behavior is!).
- Don't use scrollbar colors that blend in with the background too much and make it hard to see.
Lars 
@Moosader With a customizable WM it shouldn't be a problem to resize scrollbars...
@lemba Not seeing an obvious setting in the xfce settings
Guy who's trying his best :(@OpenComputeDesign @Moosader @lemba
My Firefox scrollbars are always fine. The about:config settings override everything, in my experience.
@OpenComputeDesign @Moosader @lemba
I can write an article on de-nerfing mozilla scrollbars, if you like.
@OpenComputeDesign @Moosader @lemba
I'll add it to my blog ideas list. :)
@Moosader Never tested myself, maybe it's outdated, maybe it's a hint in the right direction: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47674/how-should-one-change-the-width-of-scrollbar
Kiri 💾🐍 //nullptr::live@Moosader @lemba I switched to the Chicago95 theme for XFCE first and foremost so I could have those big scrollbars from Windows 95. It's definitely possible with the right theme, but I can't really vouch for any others.
Also only seems to work on apps that use the gtk/qt theme, so Discord, Firefox, and others don't get it.
always tired (moved to chaos)
Atomic Fox@project1enigma @lemba @Moosader
As I understand it, a lot of programs substitute their own elements for the ones that come from the WM. This is considered a good thing by designers who want everyone's UI to look like the UI they are using right now, and don't care about trivial things like usability. There are whole toolkits for imposing your intent on the user.
@Moosader I'd like the good old Xaw ones. Or like the ones in the first versions of Netscape as compromise. Or in KDE3.
MakerGeek@Moosader I I want them to remain visible too. Dislike hunting for the damn things
coriolisdave@Moosader @threedaymonk and so invisible! Stop disappearing them!! I need to know how far through this interminable document I am!
Paul@coriolisdave @Moosader I truly believe that the Windows 95/2000 GUI was a kind of high water mark for usability and consistency, and we have strayed further and further from the light ever since.
GoodNewsGreyShoes🔞(on hiatus)@Moosader Yes! YES!!👀🔥💯
AND fat/visible resizing handles!! Stop requiring single-pixel cursor precision just to shrink/enlarge a gosh-damn text box!!😤‼️
smeg@Moosader our screens are so large, and we have so much pixel real estate, but we make the most commonly needed UI elements tiny and leave loads of dead space on the screen. It's insane.
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UnixMan1230@Moosader you would think, in an age of accessibility-minded devs, that someone may have thought "hey, a visually impaired person may need to use this". But no.
Konnor Rogers@Moosader scrollbar-width: chonky;
Pixin@Moosader 100%. I often struggle with navigation on modern websites because the scrollbars are so dang small! I often can't even spot where the indicator is, so I end up going up when I meant to go further down.
And don't get me started on expanding scrollbars -- there's at least one site I visit that has two narrow scrollbars side by side (one for the page & one for a subsection), but the left one is unusable because if you mouse over it you're in the radius of the one to the right, which promptly expands to cover it.
tiny_m@Moosader No. They must be invisible until you touch them
Cainmark Does Not Comply 🚲
Thomas Lee ✅ 
@Moosader yes please
Daniel Casanueva@Moosader Yes, yes. This, please! I hate the tiny scrollbars!
Mark Burton@Moosader
How to fix scrollbar width, in this piece, posted here some months ago. Works for me with Firefox (scroll [!] down for this) and (same method) Thunderbird): https://artemis.sh/2023/10/12/scrollbars.html
How to fix scrollbar width, in this piece, posted here some months ago. Works for me with Firefox (scroll [!] down for this) and (same method) Thunderbird): https://artemis.sh/2023/10/12/scrollbars.html
Scrollbars are becoming a problem
Scrollbars. Ever heard of them? They’re pretty cool. Click and drag on a scrollbar and you can move content around in a scrollable content pane. I love that shit. Every day I am scrolling on my computer, all day long. But the scrollbars are getting smaller and this is increasingly becoming a problem. I would show you screenshots but they’re so small that even screenshotting them is hard to do. And people keep making them even smaller, hiding them away, its like they don’t want you to scroll! “Ah”, they say, “that’s what the scroll wheel is for”. My friend, not everyone can use a scroll wheel or a swipe up touch screen. And me, a happy scroll-wheeler, even I would like to quickly jump around some time.
Raptor 
@markhburton @Moosader i've had scrollbar overrides forever, it only partially fixes it unfortunately, they're wider but still have no grab area, are hard to see, etc. (and don't even get me STARTED how horrible gtk4 makes it....). I don't know why usable scrollbars, you know...something solved 30+ years ago, is so freaking hard :/
Jeremiah Fieldhaven
frigginGlorious ✅@Moosader u want a web app with love handles?
BryzzWind 
@Moosader Flat design feels like a mistake, especially with how ridiculously far it can get. Yes, it's simpler to design, yes you gotta mostly worry about placement and contrasts, but...
I miss the fancy-looking yet easy to understand UI with their visible scrollbars and whatnot. Y'know, where each part of the interface was distinct. Nowadays everything looks the same, just with different colors. A little bit of style can go a long way without being obstructive.
I miss the fancy-looking yet easy to understand UI with their visible scrollbars and whatnot. Y'know, where each part of the interface was distinct. Nowadays everything looks the same, just with different colors. A little bit of style can go a long way without being obstructive.
Elisabeth Anderson 
@Moosader Oh my goodness, so much this! What's it all about?!
Hard agree!!!
Electronic Eel@Moosader i also dislike hiding scrollbars in the browser. I use this addon to make them thick and pink so they are easy to see:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-scrollbars/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-scrollbars/
