This happened exactly 40 years ago.

via: https://www.talisman.org/

Talisman: Homepage

@nblr Anyone who wants the code can come by with a tape.

@nblr

Ah, back then they switched from W (Wayland) to X and are slowly realizing their mistake and are migrating back to W now?

Talisman: Debut of X

@frank Correct.

@nblr Cool.

On the other hand, nowadays I've to explicitly look under the hood in order to know which window system is running. For at least the last ten years I just emerged the WM/DE of choice and it pulled a window system (most likely X.org, perhaps Wayland on my new gaming rig). Without conf editing.

So, to me, X came a long way and matured fast in the last 20 years. Happy birthday!

@nblr I still think the "window manager as a separate component" idea was very inspired and I hate seeing it being abandoned in the Wayland era.

@nblr "Anyone who wants the code can come by with a tape."

We've come a long, long way!

@nblr "There is no documentation yet; anyone crazy enough to volunteer? I may get around to it eventually."

🎶 Tale as old as time… 🎶

@ebassi @nblr Everyone "should seriously consider switching" [lolsob]
@ruthan
"Everyone", at that point, couldn't have been more than a couple of dozen people...
@ebassi @nblr
@eichin @ebassi @nblr (Fair, and the code _probably_ wasn't a minefield of implementation booby traps, but) documentation should not be an afterthought!
@nblr
Happy b day old friend
@nblr and all these years later, it's still the only good windowing system

come at me wayland stans
@mjdxp @nblr open a game with one 144hz monitor and one 60hz monitor, which refresh rate will the game be at
@millions @mjdxp @nblr
Why would anyone do that?
@Okanogen @millions @mjdxp @nblr anyone who’s ever bought a high refresh rate gaming monitor and kept their perfectly good 60 Hz one for desktop stuff is probably in this situation
@[email protected] @nblr even though I don't think Wayland is ready for my use, Wayland has so many modern features that X11 simply cannot do.
@syphist @nblr true, such as:
- struggling on nvidia GPUs
- not being able to support font DPI adjustment separately from screen scale
- being an absolute pain to port preexisting X11 desktops and window managers to
- having a lot of strange feature creep
@[email protected] @nblr do try to mix monitor refresh rates and tell me how that goes.
@nblr so... Wayland is the return of the W?
@nblr they shoulda bought/kept the x.com domain
@billseitz @nblr they have x.org
@yetzt @nblr (my point was to block out elon)
@nblr Happy 40 years, X11!
@anatoliyl It wasn't protocol version 11 yet by a long shot. The protocol changed very rapidly in the first few years and didn't really stabilize until version 10 in 1986, followed shortly thereafter by version 11 where commercial vendors (mostly DEC IIRC) had contributed enough production-quality code to make it more than just a research prototype, which I think was in late 1988, where it's been frozen ever since -- first by broad adoption and more recently by abandonment.
@wollman I know, but I meant X window system, not only X11
@nblr I was researching distributed window systems at the time, but mine went nowhere and everyone started using X on Unix.
@janus @nblr i'm sure that happened to a lot of 'em. DisplayPostScript, NeWS, and my personal favorite, MGR, to name a few...
@hyc @janus @nblr Yeah, NeWS should have been the one. But it was the old Betamax vs VHS pattern…

@nblr I had no idea that before X was W.

How far back in the alphabet does it go, or was W where it started?

@charette W was the window system developed for Stanford's V operating system.
@nblr you want the code? just come by with a tape!

@liaizon
> you want the code? just come by with a tape!

It's when I read comment like this that I feel my age. I'm just old enough to have loaded computer programs off tapes, although they weren't the first storage mode I used (that was 5 1/4 inch floppy disks).

@nblr

@mo @nblr i-understood-that-reference.jpg
@mo @nblr wonder if that was intentional
@mo @nblr this image has led me to a Wikipedia rabbit hole
@mo @nblr brilliant! didn't know wayland had a logo! TIL as they say
@mo that shitposter is still online?
~n (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @evawolfangel Addendum, weil mich "besser als P/Y- wenn nicht sogar W-Code" auch wieder übel triggert: W-Code und P(Y)-Code sind keine zwei Signale unterschiedlicher Genauigkeit. Der W-Code ist der vom Empfänger für eine stream cipher generierte keystream und wird mit dem empfangenen den P-Code verrechnet (XOR) um den Y-Code zu erhalten. Dieses Verschlüsselte Signal nennt man P(Y)-Code. Wenn man schon einfach nur wikipedia liest und daraus Versatzstücke zitiert, dann bitte richtig.

chaos.social
@nblr it's been a long road