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Ars TechnicaWindows Recall demands an extraordinary level of trust that Microsoft hasn’t earned
Op-ed: The risks to Recall are way too high for security to be secondary.
©h®istoffe®@arstechnica Earned? They seem to be eroding trust every chance they get.
thermonuclear small claims@arstechnica Great product name, Windows Recall. It's like they knew it would be recalled due to massive security risks so they got ahead of the game.
Mark Stosberg@arstechnica Imagine the headline about the hackers who wouldn’t have gotten further, but thanks to Recall they had so much information available for blackmail, extortion, theft and further escalation.
Julian Lawson@arstechnica the other issue I'm concerned about is *other people's* computers. I don't consent to my face being stored on a colleague's work or personal laptop after a work video call. Sure, they could screen grab it without me knowing, but it's a different level if the OS is doing it by default. How will companies police this?
Jiří Fiala Total Landscaping
For I am CJ 
One thing that I haven't seen news orgs mention re: #Recall is:
as #Microsoft has repeatedly "said the quiet part out loud" about: Win11 is *entirely* about forcing / tricking people into buying new PC's. (False claims of) Recall 'requiring' a new PC are the same marketing
Once Recall's invasive spying has been normalized, MS Will absolutely include by default as part of #25H2 update, w/ data/analytics being done in the cloud for 'old' PC's, while switching marketing to "buy a new PC, if you want your Recall data to be private/on device"
SaftyKumaJust like Apple, Microsoft's major OEM vendors want your devices in a landfill after two years.
But Microsoft wants to steal your data, flat out to sell it and to steal your organization's ideas for their own products.
I guarantee 100% that MS execs true vision is for all the data to be store in their data centers, regardless of device, and that the "local only" nonsense is just a temporary measure to try to wave away privacy concerns.
Old Man in the ShoeGlad I got my mother a Chromebook
zetabeta@jenzi @arstechnica
i think google products are still worse.
people have bad habit to think that alternate is better when something bad happens in a primary option. quite often alternate options are worse, referring to google, apple and meta (facebook, whatsapp) and some others.
my point is not to defend ms recall here, but others have been doing similar for years.
use linux. android and chromebook are abuses of linux by google. macos and ios are abuses of freebsd by apple.
@zetabeta I couldn't afford and support a Linux notebook, even used in comparison. I have personally de-Googled but she's already all in with Android and was shopping laptops - she would have had to trash one for Win11
CANNON
Feoh@arstechnica This is excellent work. I really appreciate the focus on concrete concerns around the new tech rather than speculation and/or FUD which seems to be proliferating wildly :)
Makes me glad yet again that I'm an Ars Technica "Pro" subscriber :)
meek cynicsProprietary software demands an extraordinary level of trust.
Kevin Karhan 
@arstechnica EXACTLY THAT!
#Windows11 and espechally #Recall are absolute #NoGo|s for me in the sense of : "Can't and won't use under ANY circumstances - period !"...
crispy branzino ☭ (sold out forever)@arstechnica you just know it will lower your azure score if you disable it.
Antonio PatriarcaThere is simply too little value compared to its high risk. I cannot think of a single use case for something like this that cannot be done already using alternative solutions. Why would anybody want this if not for controlling someone else behaviour on the computer? I am thinking of abusive partners or companies.