⬆️ @rightardia @enoch_exe_inc @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
>> Israel has had 76 years to settle with the Palestinians
Isn’t that backwards given that:
1. In 1947 it was #Palestinians who spat on the #UN #TwoStateSolution
2. In 1948 Palestinians let neighboring #Arab states to fight a full-scale war #inTheirName with Israel, and LOST
What led to 1967 #SixDayWar, 1973 #YomKippur War, 1982 #LebanonWar, 2006 #SecondLebanonWar, & 2023 Israel-#Hamas War?
⬆️ @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
>> In 1947, they’d just been informed that THEIR revolt against their former #Ottoman rulers was for the benefit of outsiders
#Palestinians did not revolt. The #Arabs did, and for that they earned their freedom and #ArabianPeninsula. British never promised #Palestine to Arabs. It was dreamed up by them in the #DamascusProtocol (see hashtag).
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⬆️ @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
>> outsiders who wished not only to settle on their land, but rule over them as their new Ottoman Empire
Despite not having fought the Turks, and not having done anything to EARN their freedom, #Palestinians were offered freedom and all the amenities of a full-blown state, including international recognition, but they spat on the #UN #TwoStatePlan
It’s a blatant lie that Israel was invited to “rule over them as their new Ottoman Empire”
@rameshgupta @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
"Despite not having fought the Turks, and not having done anything to EARN their freedom,"
Freedom is supposed to be the default state of humanity. This is real life, not Starship Troopers, where you need to fight in a war to be given your freedom by some parody of a fascist empire.
All these defenses of Israel's conduct over the last decades always rely on a "might makes right" world view.
Other people have morals, try it
⬆️ @MyNewMinuteNewt @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
>> Freedom is supposed to be the default state of humanity. This is real life
"supposed to be" is idealism, not real life.
In real life, we fight to keep our democracy. The default is anarchy. It requires constant struggle to remain free.
For 400 yrs, subjugation by Turks & Brits was not a problem for Palestinians. In 1947 they rejected freedom ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111493882749029059
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@rameshgupta @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
-In real life, we fight to keep our democracy. The default is anarchy. It requires constant struggle to remain free.
In real life, when people right for their freedom, they are fighting people like you.
When they refused to let some European colonizers steal their land, that's "rejecting freedom"?
The mental gymnastics required to pretend to be a good person don't seem to be worth it, just say you support #colonialism
>> When they refused to let colonizers steal their land, that's "rejecting freedom"?
It was not “stolen”, It was bought, and paid for ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111503067973481777
Mind your own damn business unless someone needs your help, and be excellent to each other.
Also, READ SOME REAL HISTORY before commenting on Israel's conduct.
Just drowning yourself in propaganda without grounding yourself in facts just makes you look SILLY
Just drowning yourself in propaganda without grounding yourself in facts just makes you look SILLY
The carelessness with which you mention #Israelicolonizers is astonishing, right up there with #IsraeliAparthied ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111704401264438499
I don't know of you are drowning in propaganda because you have fallen for it, or because you are spreading it for others hostile to US and Israel. If former, I have some help for you
Ignorant people bandy about #IsraeliColonizers in the sense of EXPANSIONISM, or one COUNTRY exerting political CONTROL of another COUNTRY.
Displaced #Jews driven out from #EasternEurope and #Russia did not have a COUNTRY. They were not expansionist. They were not "stealing land," and they were not sending it to a "home country" ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111681937988389462
Actual meaning of #colony in #Israeli context is sense 2(a) below.
Twenty-six SEPARATE #colonies.
These "colonies" were agricultural COMMUNITIES, and the land was bought and PAID FOR, not stolen.
That's the real meaning of "colony" in the #Israeli context.
>> When they refused to let some European colonizers steal their land, that's "rejecting freedom"?
In 1947, they rejected freedom — a #UN #TwoStateSolution for an INDEPENDENT #Palestine, separate from #Israel
For 450 years prior to that, they were ok being under #TurkishYoke or #BritishMandate, but when actual freedom arrived, they spat on it.
They also rejected freedom in 2000 at #CampDavid ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441847344403701
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This one wasn't a #hitAndRun, but a quiet #seppuku.
He probably cried in his soft pillow at night and decided he did not want to learn anything from "historical nihilists" 😂
@MyNewMinuteNewt @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
@rameshgupta @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog You don't know what freedom is; I'll explain.
A foreign empire deciding that you must leave your homes and give up more than half your land to a smaller group of colonizers that just started moving in a few years ago is not freedom.
It's theft.
I guess by your logic, the UN could vote that all of Israel belongs to Hamas now, and if Israelis refuse to leave, they are "rejecting freedom".
Backwards logic, backwards morality.
⬆️ @MyNewMinuteNewt @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog
>> You don't know what freedom is; I'll explain.
No don’t. Be quiet, and begone.
I spoon fed you real history, which you evidently didn’t bother to read, or if you read, don’t have the mental capacity to understand (in which case I’m sorry), or you are here trolling with no links to sources preaching morality to me.
What country are you from?
What planet, actually?
Ramesh #NotGoingBack
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