Bart Preneel
Larry GarfieldThis is sadly entirely accurate, and the whole problem...
(Edit: Original is here. Go follow the artist. https://mastodon.social/@workchronicles/112417993863156684)
Ben Ramsey@Crell It’s a crime if you’re poor. It’s a fine if you’re rich.
Brian Fenton
StarkRG@Crell This is why you need progressive fines, fines that aren't just based on the severity of the infraction but also the income of the culprit. It's still "legal for a fee" but the fee is properly punitive regardless of who's committing it.
@StarkRG Also, proportional to the estimated profit made from the crime.
"Oh, you made $1 billion from breaking this law? The fine starts at $1.2 billion and goes up from there."
"Oh, a fine that big will destroy the company? Well maybe you shouldn't have done the crime then."
"Oh, you're worried about the employees? OK, we'll exchange $5 million in fines for 1 year prison time for the exec suite."
Ivan Tsenov 🇧🇬 🇺🇦
Third spruce tree on the left
Jo - pièce de résistance
Obsolete
Billy Smith
Norbi Peti
draeh@Crell The fines haven't kept up with the scope of the markets and thus they are more like a 'cost of doing business' rather than a deterrent. Unless your poor, of course, then its still feels like a fine.
Justin Fitzsimmons@Crell and you only have to pay when the underfunded regulatory agency gets around to investigating you!
The Doctor
Laurens 🐐
@infosec_jcp 🐈🃏 done differentlyBiiiiiig Pirates of Silicon Valley vibes & Business Strategies in practice in this panel Larry, fr, 💯, 🤏🕶️
Jon Shay - Woolwich1886@Crell I've met people who say essentially the same for things like speeding tickets.
Nicole ParsonsThe billionaires buying impunity from the law & who torpedoed democracy, climate action, & civil rights.
& arranged tax frauds ... ahem... nonprofit trust funds to keep doing it after they are gone.
David Sacks
Elon Musk
Larry Ellison
Omeed Malik
Jack Dawsey
https://puck.news/silicon-valley-megadonor-power-rankings/
https://puck.news/elon-musk-david-sacks-host-anti-biden-dinner-party/
https://www.philanthropisms.com/1862997/10289614
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/trump-donor-america-first-policy-institute-invs/index.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaife_Foundations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Foundation
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2023/10/10/exclusive-charles-koch-koch-industries-has-given-more-than-5-billion-of-his-koch-industries-stock-to-two-nonprofits/
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
@Crell A lot of companies have line items in their yearly budgets for paying fines. At the two companies I worked at it was about 15%.
the Amygdalai Lama@Crell
it's the same flaw as punishment generally, it changes nothing about what happens, gives nothing but revenge, it doesn't even a little bit stop people burning the world down first
it's the same flaw as punishment generally, it changes nothing about what happens, gives nothing but revenge, it doesn't even a little bit stop people burning the world down first
Yaoi Box Balloon@Crell German pubs post smoking ban circa 2013 onwards.
$k313t0n 
@Crell ridiculous to see big companies getting fined less then their daily electricity bill for something horrendous
@Crell That's desperately true.
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Brian DearSilicon Valley, in a nutshell.
bedast@Crell If you like their work, @workchronicles is in the fediverse :D
Captain Packrat@Crell If the fine is less than the profit margin, it's not illegal.
missywombat@Crell This is what Defence Housing Australia, a Government Business Enterprise, is doing at the very controversial Lee Point development where a critical wildlife corridor consisting of old growth tropical savanna forest and with a few nationally endangered species. Given the controversy you would think that a Federal agency would make sure that every box regarding approvals and permit conditions are ticked especially as a significant part of the community oppose this. Nope. They purposefully employ contractors that break every rule in the book. Work health nightmare, no fauna spotters and bulldozed areas outside their permit potentially damaging sacred sites. But the weak legislation makes all that worthwhile as the fines are not proportionate. #saveleepoint
@Crell Republican Cost of Doing Business.
Allan Chow@Crell not only that but even "what are the odds we'll just get a warning"
ollibaba@Crell @danluu has written an interesting comment on this topic at https://danluu.com/cpu-bugs/#fn:S .
(I found the comment interesting, but haven't checked whether it's factually correct. The mentioned "Becker-ian policy" appears to refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Becker#Crime_and_punishment).
kmetz