One clear sign of how ignorant and immature the college protesters are is how they all don't seem to want to be held accountable for the crimes they committed.
I wish that our U.S. campuses would at least still assign students to read MLK's Letter from a Birmingham jail, and Thoreau's essay on Civil Disobedience.
I think these protesters have failed the guidelines of: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self-purification; and effective direct action.
#PierceMorgan gets eviscerated by Prof. #MuhammadMirandi from #Teheran, previously a top-notch adviser to #Iran's nuclear negotiations team.
Everyone should try to take a 1930's perspective and mentally substitute #Israel by the #ThirdReich or #Mussolini's #Italy and Iran by an opposing Allied Power like the UK or the US.
After listening to this debate, the West's, including Israel's, position doesn't have that much standing anymore.
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Too bad.
In this case, I find the whole counter argument very insightful.
Israel is, indeed, an apartheid state and the war crimes committed by it, e.g. the direct hit on the help convoy, etc., would have disqualified any other country from the West's help but Israel.
The moral yardstick is, even by well-meaning minds, so obviously different when it comes to Israel as to give representatives from authoritarian...
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Correct.
But are they ever?
I don't think so.
The only thing we can do is to act based on the high moral principles that were the basis for many Western democracies and the founding principles of the League of Nations and the United Nations from NOW on.
Nations or terrorists organizations that defy these principles must me brought to heel, however.
This applies to #Russia, the terrorist #Houthis in #Yemen, the remaining #Hamas killers, and...
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...also the perpetrators of #WarCrimes in the #Netanyahu Regime and the #IDF.
There cannot be double legal and moral standards, ..."with liberty and Justice for all.”
As a sidenote:
History will judge whether the current presiden of Russia or Israel or the former president of the US, #TFG, will have caused the most lasting damage to their respective countries in the long run.
What is at stake for the USA is nothing less than Democracy and individual...
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...liberties, the final collapse and partitioning of the Russian Federation, and statehood and a safe heaven for Jews for Israel, as well as a Superpower guarantor of its security . I'd say with regard to discrimination and persecution Jews have already been set back globally since October, 2023.
Probably the most lasting achievement of #Netanyahu.
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@claralistensprechen3rd So, I would suggest reading about our Civil War to help understand my perspective. Without campaigns of total war that would make the Rafah invasion look like arresting campus protesters like Sherman's march to Savannah I don't know that we would have ended slavery in the 19th century. Hopefully, it would have ended by now, but I don't know that.
These discussions are complex and best done offline with whiskey though.
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It's a lot easier to tell soldiers what to do than to do it oneself.
I'm indeed missing your point, even after a 3rd reading.
Yes, sometimes some "fireplace talk" would be illuminating.
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Perhaps a cause-and-effect analysis of John Brown's terrorism might be better example when discussing whether the ends can never justify the means.
These are deep issues that I'm not well prepared to "debate" in 300 word missives perhaps. For example, this short thread was started entirely about the effectiveness of the campus protests imo and it's turned into a debate on middle eastern policy with histories of two other wars muddying the original thesis.
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...states a real semblance of justified grievance. This must STOP.
President Biden was right to halt the delivery of offensive weapons to #Israel.
This can be but a first step.
#Netanyahu has for decades been a grand master of letting US presidents look like school boys when informing them, often after the fact, of aggressive actions against its neighbors or #Palestinians. This must STOP. If Israel wants to be an equal nation,...
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...special treatment needs to STOP, too, in particular when it comes to international law. The ICJ case must move forward.
Also, discriminating against part of the native population on the basis of race, ethnicity, or creed within its borders IS #apartheid clearly in violation of all (Western) democratic principles that are incompatible with a modern democracy.
Of course, the professor also makes biased argumentative mistakes,...
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There are quite a few things about Israel that I'm not fond of especially their long history of playing the U.S. off of the Soviet Union for their own purposes, but since I've never had to live in a neighborhood like that I'm not qualified to judge them.
Plus, since I know that right now America's and democracy's adversaries are on the side of Hamas, I'm on team Israel since there are big, globally big, issues at stake now.
I'm neither for against Israel.
However, the end never justifies the means. Over 30k civilian deaths are too many.
I did not live during the Vietnam War, but the currently globally spreading student protests clearly show that the #Netanyahu Regime has clearly abjectly lost the propaganda war for the minds and hearts of the global public.
Every day doesn't only cost innocent civilian lives in Gaza and Israel, but the remainder of any moral "Holocaust credit" that the Regime...
...deems to be limitless. It is not. It is approaching bankruptcy with every day that the war drags on.
That Hamas has agreed to the terms of a #ceasefire only accelerates its exhaustion.
#Netanyahu seems to have forgotten that this year is a super-election year globally. Governments around the globe will not be able to ignore the students' demands, rightful or not.
French novelist Émile Souvestre wrote in 1848: “There is something more powerful than strength,..
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...than courage, than genius itself: it is the idea whose time has come.”
The implicit idea that the suffering of the Holocaust justifies any deed of self-defense is obsolete.
The tides of (the decades old) propaganda) war have shifted. Every day counts.
#Netanyahu must be removed ASAP.
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...however, this does not discredit all of his arguments.
The #Palestinians or their forbears did not commit the #Holocaust atrocities. This was done by the #fascist and communist regimes of Europe. They should have equal right like the Jews.
As long as this great injustice has not been remedied, war-mongers like the #Mullah Regime and the #Netanyahu Regime will always have ample possibilities to rekindle the embers. Al of...
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...the #MiddleEast is but one gigantic powder keg. And several fuses have been lit...
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