REMINDER FOR AMERICANS:

The US Constitution and common law are rooted in pre-18th century *English* legal jurisprudence and traditions.

And the "presidential immunity" bullshit is an attempt to rewind the clock to before 1649, when Parliament got fed up with the King's bullshit, put him on trial, and beheaded him.

Y'all: Trump wants to revive the divine right of kings.

You know who pulled the German equivalent of that stunt? Hitler.

(I will summarily block anyone who raises Godwin's law.)

@cstross

Didn't Godwin cancel his law because of Trump not that long ago?

Yes, it’s okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don’t let me stop you.

My very minor status as an authority on Hitler comparisons stems from having coined “Godwin’s Law” more than three decades ago.

The Washington Post
Yes, it’s okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don’t let me stop you.

My very minor status as an authority on Hitler comparisons stems from having coined “Godwin’s Law” more than three decades ago.

The Washington Post
@cstross So, how did blocking yourself ... ugh, sorry, couldn't help it.
@schrotie @cstross beat me to it! I doubt he'll reply now he's blocked himself :)
@cstross Oddly this is exactly the comparison I made in my 25th of April tribute poem. Quick summary: I’m generally nonviolent but I have no problem with sending these pocket autocrats to the guillotine in exchange for their “divine right”.
@cstross He has also specifically stated that he has Droit du seigneur.

@cstross

I have bookmarked this tweet and use it when necessary.

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."

Mike Godwin - Aug 14, 2017

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320

Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) on X

By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.

X (formerly Twitter)

@cstross
Stunning how much of the #SCOTUS immunity briefing discussed the POTUS's rights - but nearly zero mention of the public's right to a (small r) republican form of government (eg no king)

Notable exception from the excellent Justice KBJ

@cstross
As I’m sure you are aware, though others may not, Godwin has turned off the Law for the duration, though nobody knows how long that will be.

@SpeakerToManagers

He didn’t “turn it off”, he just said that applying it to Trump was actually correct and apt. When you accuse actual Nazis of being Nazis, he is there with us. He implicitly supports OP’s statement.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/20/godwins-law-trump-hitler-comparisons/

cc: @cstross

Yes, it’s okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don’t let me stop you.

My very minor status as an authority on Hitler comparisons stems from having coined “Godwin’s Law” more than three decades ago.

The Washington Post

@cstross You know who pulled the Chinese equivalent of this stunt? Yuan Shikai, who tried to declare himself Emperor a few years into his presidency. It…didn’t go well. Apparently, he stupidly failed to predict that the same people who rose up against the Qing dynasty would rise up against him as well; and this little stunt put a swift end to the Chinese republican experiment.

The icing on the cake is that he was a member of the (Chinese) Republican Party.

@cstross Given that SCOTUS invented qualified immunity -- which is basically, "there was no precedent saying that this action was illegal, therefore this employee of the state cannot be charged or sued" -- there is no reason for them to do it again with a president. A president precedent, if you will.

@cstross

The pattern matching to the 1933 election in Germany is rather obvious, not just the big national election but also the events in subordinate states.

But many of the labels, such as "Right" and "Left", mess up what we see. The French and Russian Revolutions were neither that simple, but an accident of the seating arrangement set up the label.

Maybe the common pattern is authoritarianism. But can we label any politics with just one dimension?

@davebell396 No, but authoritarianism is problematic in multiple dimensions! (Doesn't tolerate a loyal opposition, doesn't accept complex solutions to complex problems, doesn't accept human diversity, can't handle "wicked" problems, doesn't go gracefully into the night when it's outlasted its sell-by date.)

@cstross There cannot be any doubt now that Trump and all other populist right politicians in the world today ARE NAZIS.

It's clear.

It's obvious.

It's beyond proven.

They.are.nazis.

@cstross Reminder for #Humans from Erath:
historically all the troubles come from entitled authoritarian "strong men", while prosperity and improvement come from collaboration and democracy.
@cstross Now I'm wondering if Godwin has ever been mansplained Godwin's law by a Nazi 🤔
Charlie Stross (@[email protected])

US Politics in a nutshell: The US forked British Monarchy™ in 1776, but froze the dev branch with Constitution 1.0, so didn't bother to backport any of the subsequent bugfixes and security patches (1831, 1918, 1938, etc.) from the main British branch. Anyway, you've got a bunch of British Monarchy™ users who instinctively want to tug the forelock but don't have anyone to tug it *at* and it upsets them because homebrew is no good—it takes 700 years of inbreeding to roll your own nobility.

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@cstross FWIW, Mike Godwin says it's okay. https://wapo.st/4aPejji
Yes, it’s okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don’t let me stop you.

My very minor status as an authority on Hitler comparisons stems from having coined “Godwin’s Law” more than three decades ago.

The Washington Post
@cstross But..but..the ‘Republicans’ say the Constitution came down from Jezus at Mt. Ararat, while riding a zebra, and …..

@JamesPadraicR @cstross

Thanks for the dystopian adventure inspiration . . .

Doh I think that #idiocracy was made already

@cstross Sir, Thank you for this. Most ordinary Americans have a piss poor knowledge of English history but hey maybe not worse than our own U. S. History. This thread is fascinating and a keeper for me to ponder as my English history came mostly from reading historical fiction. It seems the English had their own version of three strikes and you’re out except in the case of Charles he was allll the way out.

@cstross

A reminder to everyone else: this incident may have questioned the specific divine right of *a* king, but in no way did it mean relieving the nobility of their wealth, power, and influence. While the rules for membership in the club of nobles may have changed, the basic practice of rule by the wealthy has never really gone away, and is seeing a rather dramatic resurgence.

@cstross
Musk level "Concerning".
@cstross yep. He wants a cult of personality as official state doctrine, like in North Korea.
@cstross it’s not a GL violation if it’s true.
@cstross amazing collection of kooks this has brought out (albeit unsurprisingly). Guess your block button must be getting a workout!
@froztbyte Oddly, I haven't bothered to block that many!

@cstross

*raises eyebrow Indigenously*

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/

It's still shit, there was no immunity for chiefs, the US experiment took what it liked of the Confederacy and then yes, shoved their English legal bs all over it and made it all hypocritical thus the amendments, because they couldn't actually correlate societally communicative and beneficial #Indigenous governance and extractive white Christian supremacist hierarchical capitalistic exploitation of lands and peoples.

@cstross Maybe the Supremes will have him beheaded.
@cstross I admit sometimes I find it a shame we didn’t use French legal jurisprudence, because then the guillotines would be traditional…