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Dan GillmorMajor-league buyer's regret, from a Tesla owner (@ben) with a conscience -- and a sense of self-preservation.
AI6YR Ben@dangillmor @ben 😬 "Genuinely, if the technology improved to the point where I didn’t feel like I was probably going to die, I would happily sit inside a self-driving vehicle. "
Ralph058 (S/he/it) AF4EZ@dangillmor @ben Full disclosure. I worked for the Tier 1 that developed the ADAS system in my car.
It was one of many I worked on the system development of the ADAS. I chose the one I did with a personal cost/benefit analysis.
The owner's manual does not recommend using the lane keeping assistant in normal two lane traffic. BUT, I have tried it.
It will do better than was described for FSD and the service was fully include in the price of the car.
It was one of many I worked on the system development of the ADAS. I chose the one I did with a personal cost/benefit analysis.
The owner's manual does not recommend using the lane keeping assistant in normal two lane traffic. BUT, I have tried it.
It will do better than was described for FSD and the service was fully include in the price of the car.
Patrick Johanneson 🚀 🇨🇦Fear on this level seems like a pretty poor use of $12,000 or $199 a month. You can rent a horror movie for $2.99, and paying attention to America is free.
Wow, that's some writing.
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eestileib (she/hers)@dannotdaniel @pjohanneson @dangillmor @ben
I like how he just assumes intimate knowledge of Bay Area freeways on the part of the reader.
Sir Osis of Liver 🇨🇦 🇲🇽A summary of Consumer Reports review of Advanced Driving Assistance puts Tesla mid-pack:
"Still, even with the additional competition, and now a total of 17 tested systems, Ford’s BlueCruise remains CR’s top-rated ADA system, followed by Cadillac Super Cruise and Mercedes-Benz Driver Assistance. Tesla, once an innovator in ADA with its Autopilot system, remains in about the middle of the pack. (The new Nissan ProPILOT Assist 2.0 has leapfrogged above Tesla.) That’s because Tesla hasn’t changed Autopilot’s basic functionality much since it first came out, instead just adding more features to it, says Fisher: 'After all this time, Autopilot still doesn’t allow collaborative steering and doesn’t have an effective driver monitoring system. While other automakers have evolved their ACC and LCA systems, Tesla has simply fallen behind.'"
They also address Tesla's deceptively labeled Full Self Driving system:
"'But what about Tesla?' you might ask. 'Don’t they have features called Autopilot and Full Self-Driving?' Yes, they do. And despite the name and the company’s many promises about its future capabilities, no existing Tesla is a fully autonomous vehicle that performs better than a human driver. In fact, in communications with the California state Department of Motor Vehicles, Tesla’s own lawyers said that Tesla vehicles equipped with Full Self-Driving Capability (FSD) are not truly self-driving, and still require a driver to steer, brake, or accelerate as needed."
Grassroots JoeI leased an M3 in the summer of 2021 as a bridge to wider availability of EVs when my 2003 Accord ran out of highway, so to speak.
Currently my son is using it as he needed a car when he secured full-time work after grad school (I'm retired happily making due with my new eBike and my wife's 2013 CRV, my son's next car...).
I just texted him to make sure FSD is turned off on all of our driver profiles.
Very much looking forward to returning the car to Tesla in August.
@dangillmor @ben thanks for sharing. As if i needed any more reason to never ever even think of putting my life in the unstable hands of that lunatic Musk. Appreciate the info.
CuriousMatter@skiinggeorge @dangillmor @ben Unfortunately, those of us sharing the road with vehicles using FSD get even less opportunity than "pulling back the stalk" to agree to the risk we are assuming.
Stacey Campbell@dangillmor @ben "The car then asks you to leave a recorded message explaining why you intervened, and the struggle is to use words instead of screaming over and over."
My first lol of the day.
Christian Huitema@dangillmor @ben Among the reasons to not buy Tesla's FSD: the frequent GBytes of system updates, during which the car is powered only by its 12V battery. Without FSD, that battery lasts at least 5 or 6 years. With FSD, at most one. And changing it is *very* annoying, may involve calling support with a stranded car.
Daniel S. Reichenbach@dangillmor @ben no difference between Tesla cars and the companies CEO: expensive trash. 🤷
Tom Tom@dangillmor @ben Well too here are no generic fully automated train nor plane , whereas these run in a highly controlled environment with a global supervision... This is a hint that really autonomous vehicle is imho decades away.
Besides we put so much effort in generic self driving when automated highway cruise would rip 90% of the benefits.